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A Chinese agent in the British parliament.

"Sunday September 10 2023, 10.10pm, The Times
A Tory parliamentary researcher arrested on suspicion of spying for China was the director of an influential policy group on Beijing co-founded by the security minister.

Chris Cash, 28, was closely linked with Tom Tugendhat and was employed as a researcher by Alicia Kearns, chairwoman of the Commons’ foreign affairs committee.

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The suspect is the son of a GP and grew up in a wealthy suburb of Edinburgh. He went to the fee-paying George Watson’s College, where he was a head of house, and later studied history at the University of St Andrews. He became active on Westminster’s social scene and used a dating website, making several attempts last year to arrange a date with a political journalist."


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From the Guardian

Beijing has labelled as “malicious slander” and a “political farce” the scandal surrounding the arrest of a man in London on suspicion of spying for the Chinese government.

On Sunday it emerged that a parliamentary researcher with links to senior Conservatives and potential access to sensitive information had been arrested over allegations of spying for China.

The man, who is in his 20s and was arrested in March along with another person, is known to have held a parliamentary pass, allowing him unescorted access to large parts of the Westminster est

On Sunday afternoon, China’s embassy in the UK published a short statement in response to media inquiries. “The claim that China is suspected of ‘stealing British intelligence’ is completely fabricated and nothing but malicious slander,” the spokesperson said.

“We firmly oppose it and urge relevant parties in the UK to stop their anti-China political manipulation and stop putting on such self-staged political farce.”

On the sidelines of the G20 leaders’ summit in Delhi, the British prime minister, Rishi Sunak, said he met with China’s premier, Li Qiang, and raised the matter. Sunak said he told Li he had “very strong concerns about any interference in our parliamentary democracy”. According to the British account of the meeting, Li responded that the two countries had “differences in opinion”.

The version of the meeting put out by China did not mention the issue, and both the government and state media have remained silent apart from the embassy’s statement, which was published around midnight Beijing time.

State media said Li believed the two countries “should properly handle disagreements, respect each other’s core interests and major concerns”.

China’s ministry of foreign affairs is scheduled to hold its daily press conference on Monday afternoon.

The news emerged a week after Britain’s foreign secretary, James Cleverly, visited Beijing, amid attempts to repair the bilateral relationship.

Sunak, who was returning to the UK on Sunday, is likely to face calls for an urgent question in the Commons on Monday about the scandal.ate.
 
Maybe not ideal, but bleeding heck, not gonna be clutching my pearls about it.

We pretty well know other foreign powers have agents in "our" not fit for purpose "democracy", starting with the USA and Israel and you can bet your last penny, plenty of parliamentarians from Brussels to the Baltics are effectively assets of various western agencies.
 
All this faux shock.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has spies in probably half the countries of the world, including China.
That China has spies all over the gaff is more or less the same.
A better conversation would be to detail the exact threat to the UK posed by China. It is unlikely to be worries about Chinese gunboats sailing up the Thames to force Opiates on the people of Westminster.
 
Maybe mixing my metaphors as it has been a turbulent few years, but I remember the "Umbrella" protests in Hong Kong a while back.

The photogenic eloquent "student leader"《Joshua Cheng》appeared out of nowhere and was feted by the western media, even flown to Europe to meet high level politicians etc. Dig a bit deeper and it came out he spent 2 years at at a western uni somewhere with heavy intelligence connections and his father had business interests at odds with Beijing's desire to bring Hong Kong "to line".

"Our side" does it a little differently to China maybe, as the stakes there are a last steamed bun and a bullet in the head.
 
Maybe not ideal, but bleeding heck, not gonna be clutching my pearls about it.

We pretty well know other foreign powers have agents in "our" not fit for purpose "democracy", starting with the USA and Israel and you can bet your last penny, plenty of parliamentarians from Brussels to the Baltics are effectively assets of various western agencies.

...starting with the USA and Israel...?


Care to explain that bit?
 
Britain's imperial star has been in decline for a century despite various attempts to keep things going. China (and of course it is a form of imperialism and not all cuddles and kittens) is on the rise. So the two sides are of course going to engage in the "Great Game".

China "threatens" to usurp the interests of British (& EU, see Niger) capital in Africa, Asia & Pacific. But their mode of operation is less "gunboat".

There's that famous quote from a Kenyan politician "Whenever the Chinese visit we get a hospital, whenever the British visit we get a lecture".
 
Britain's imperial star has been in decline for a century despite various attempts to keep things going. China (and of course it is a form of imperialism and not all cuddles and kittens) is on the rise. So the two sides are of course going to engage in the "Great Game".

China "threatens" to usurp the interests of British (& EU, see Niger) capital in Africa, Asia & Pacific. But their mode of operation is less "gunboat".

There's that famous quote from a Kenyan politician "Whenever the Chinese visit we get a hospital, whenever the British visit we get a lecture".

It is cute to think Britain is still relevant enough to be a player in any "Great Game". The UK is more prey than predator these days.
 
It is cute to think Britain is still relevant enough to be a player in any "Great Game". The UK is more prey than predator these days.
Yeah, this is why Britain has hitched itself to the Americans. Had an economic dally with mainland Europe for a bit before another squabble within the British ruling class cut that off.

Going to hell in a hand cart, but there are still some nice pints to be had.
 
Ok, it's just that you said it would be better to have a conversation about that than discuss this espionage incident...

Maybe I expressed myself badly. But this espionage incident is sort of routine, it happens lots, like with Russians or Iranians and so on.
If the UK is so worried about China, then ban all Chinese imports, and Chinese students financially propping up UK educational institutions.
 
I don’t know what the exact threat is, do you?
I also don’t have a gunboat.

The threat from China is like so:

An economic model which protects their own industries from competition, and subsidises them, while also enjoying unfettered access to overseas markets. This means that they have the capacity to flood markets with artificially cheaper goods and put local competitors out of business. There is also the issue that they do not enforce copyright (there are loads of copyright infringements of Apple with Huawei phones for instance, but Apple do not pursue litigation because they don't want to lose access to the Chinese market) while engaged in an organised campaign of patent-trolling and litigatiousness overseas in places that do enforce copyright law. This is combined with widespread and organised industrial espionage and IP theft. The lopsided nature of it is a structural economic threat, and removing them from the WTO or at least erecting barriers to their market access is not just "trying to keep them down" but actually essential to avoid economic ruin in the long term.

They have studied how the west became dominant and are using it as a guide. This includes, btw, building railways in Africa and Central Asia which allows for export of raw materials back into China for manufacturing, and then export back out into the markets of developing states, while also getting them to pay for infrastructure themselves through debt traps and bribery of elites, which is essentially how Britain colonised India and they are using that as a guide.

The other threat is in the Chinese practise of targeting the elites of other countries to consciously create a comprador class friendly to Chinese interests. There has been a backlash since but the existence of this group explains to a large extent why countries have previously or continue to pursue economically suicidal policies towards China. In the west this could be Wall Street wanting profits from cheap Chinese labour, but in developing countries there are more extreme examples, the economic ruin of Sri Lanka is a good example. The ability of China to astroturf "boycott" movements and the use of informal sanctions against companies who defy them gives them an unusual degree of influence over international companies and is a kind of blueprint of how a Chinese centric world order would function.

There is also an effort to export Chinese Internet rules and governance. This goes hand in hand with an effort to entrench corrupted comprador classes by using high tech social control and censorship pioneered by China. It also allows for more control by Beijing of the digital environment overseas. This will only benefit an elite and should concern anyone who claims to be on the left.


And finally there is the massive military build up. We have seen how China uses informal sanctions and economic dependency to exert control over other countries. The risk of an invasion of Taiwan and achieving naval hegemony over the South China Sea as well as land routes through Silk Road infrastructure means that they will have the ability to block all of the world's trade to create compliant elites on a global basis. Defeat of the US over Taiwan would also enable them to blockade South Korea, Japan, and the countries of Oceania to turn them into compliant satellite states. Such a world order would not be one amenable to socialism that the "multi polar" fantasists dream of, and it must be opposed by the left just as fascism was - as, indeed, that is what the Chinese system truly is.

China is running into problems now because of demographics but also because people have woken up to it and are pursuing "derisking", and there are more barriers to China than before. But these barriers are absolutely necessary and so is reducing economic exposure to China, and preventing Chinese industrial espionage and influence on our economic and political elites is also important. The threat is manageable if these steps are taken but ONLY if these steps are taken.
 
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Maybe mixing my metaphors as it has been a turbulent few years, but I remember the "Umbrella" protests in Hong Kong a while back.

The photogenic eloquent "student leader"《Joshua Cheng》appeared out of nowhere and was feted by the western media, even flown to Europe to meet high level politicians etc. Dig a bit deeper and it came out he spent 2 years at at a western uni somewhere with heavy intelligence connections and his father had business interests at odds with Beijing's desire to bring Hong Kong "to line".

"Our side" does it a little differently to China maybe, as the stakes there are a last steamed bun and a bullet in the head.

Who the fuck is Joshua Cheng?
 
Maybe mixing my metaphors as it has been a turbulent few years, but I remember the "Umbrella" protests in Hong Kong a while back.

The photogenic eloquent "student leader"《Joshua Cheng》appeared out of nowhere and was feted by the western media, even flown to Europe to meet high level politicians etc. Dig a bit deeper and it came out he spent 2 years at at a western uni somewhere with heavy intelligence connections and his father had business interests at odds with Beijing's desire to bring Hong Kong "to line".

"Our side" does it a little differently to China maybe, as the stakes there are a last steamed bun and a bullet in the head.
The idea that Hong Kong, a territory populated in large part by refugees fleeing from Maoist political campaigns, could only produce student leaders who objected to Beijing’s tightening control because of shadowy figures in western intelligence agencies is QAnon level quackery btw. It is also borderline racist in its denial of agency to non-westerners.

Edit: While it is possible or probable that the CIA had an interest in Hong Kong, explaining it purely in those terms is as daft as explaining the Troubles in Northern Ireland primarily as a product of Libyan intervention in the UK.
 
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Maybe not ideal, but bleeding heck, not gonna be clutching my pearls about it.

We pretty well know other foreign powers have agents in "our" not fit for purpose "democracy", starting with the USA and Israel and you can bet your last penny, plenty of parliamentarians from Brussels to the Baltics are effectively assets of various western agencies.

Indeed. It's one of those stories of obsessive interest to the chattering classes (both the declinists and those who clutch to our perceived international standing) , but for everyone else the revelation that there are spies is the same as knowing that Monday is followed by Tuesday....

There is, of course, also the possibility that the accused is innocent and that he's been wrongly accused by incompetent spooks. He's issued a statement denying the charges.
 
What seems a bit odd is this has been turned into news story, would've thought this sort of thing more usually handled quietly and not so much briefed to journalists. ?
 
Can't believe so many many posters on here are queuing up on to minimise the crimes of a posh, privately educated Tory boy who was working for the Tory Party and betraying his country.
See my post above about the Communist Party's deliberate and targeted cultivation of key individuals within economic and political elites.

What people are failing to understand is the nature of CCP espionage is far more pernicious and threatening than normal espionage because of its Leninist nature and proliferation of front groups. The United Front Work Department coordinates all kinds of business groups and civil society organisations, all Chinese companies, international companies with Chinese branches, and they coordinate with China's other foreign policy tools to influence elites. This differs from Soviet espionage because the front organisations were easily identifiable and understood, but there is a general lack of understanding about how China functions and infiltration of the private sector or nominal NGOs is far greater than could have been done by the Soviets. I have personally ran into resistance working for a major Western firm with branches in China who didn't like a due diligence report I wrote and wanted a whitewash.


This documents how it functions and the academic studying it has been under surveillance by Beijing within Australia, including a couple of break ins, death threats, and her car brakes being severed.


People posting here mostly have little connection to the Sinosphere and don't feel the same degree of threat. But the threat to ethnic Chinese as well as Uyghurs and Tibetans is real. No other country runs overseas police stations, for instance.


The situation can be worse in countries with more economic exposure to China and less democratic accountability. For instance, in Kazakhstan many ethnic Kazakhs in Xinjiang were kidnapped and sent to concentration camps, including Kazakh citizens. Yet the government is corrupted by Chinese money and represses criticism:


We are a long way from that so far, but self-censorship in academia has long been a problem, as has international companies doing censorship on behalf of China to maintain market access.

Taken as a whole, the attempts at elite capture, threat to critics overseas, large scale IP theft, and use of economic leverage upon elites represents a serious issue and elite collaboration with China needs to be treated with the seriousness it deserves. I think people downplaying this just aren't getting the bigger picture
 
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Maybe mixing my metaphors as it has been a turbulent few years, but I remember the "Umbrella" protests in Hong Kong a while back.

The photogenic eloquent "student leader"《Joshua Cheng》appeared out of nowhere and was feted by the western media, even flown to Europe to meet high level politicians etc. Dig a bit deeper and it came out he spent 2 years at at a western uni somewhere with heavy intelligence connections and his father had business interests at odds with Beijing's desire to bring Hong Kong "to line".

"Our side" does it a little differently to China maybe, as the stakes there are a last steamed bun and a bullet in the head.

So someone whose name you got wrong went to a "Western" University that you can't be bothered to name with "intelligence connections" as opposed presumably to a university with "stupidity connections". That's the result of your digging deep to expose perfidy.

Regardless of your research it doesn't alter the fact that an awful lot of people in Hong Kong dislike being run from Beijing.
 
It sounds like China has become good at being ruthless capitalists.
The reported hunan rights and humanitarian abuses suggest that the world has nothing to do with them.
 
All this faux shock.
The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has spies in probably half the countries of the world, including China.
That China has spies all over the gaff is more or less the same.
A better conversation would be to detail the exact threat to the UK posed by China. It is unlikely to be worries about Chinese gunboats sailing up the Thames to force Opiates on the people of Westminster.
 
Who the fuck is Joshua Cheng?

They mean Joshua Wong maybe? The Joshua Wong currently in chokey for organising an "unauthorised protest"?

Yeah, I got the name mixed up as it was off the top of my head, sorry. It was meant as a vague example, not 100% researched argument.

Of course I'm not denying the right to be anti Beijing (or anti Moscow) and saying those who are, are always western stooges, that would indeed be arguably racist / xenophobic.

But often it seems that the heroes of the "colour revolutions" have "interesting" biographies.

Anyhoo, although the telescreen I had the misfortune to catch in the pub is going bananas about this tory MP supposed Chinese spy, I'm not that bothered. Capitalist imperialist state maybe or maybe not using a member of a pseudo parliament to spy on another capitalist state......shrug.

Edited for clarity & grammar.
 
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