Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
A lot of them aren't true though.
90% of all big fish have been taken from the oceans
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Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Has the programme been academically dissected to reveal the untruths? Sorry if missed further up thread.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Not sure what you mean by academically, but parts of it are heavily refuted by many sources including some of the people whose research it's based on. See the article I linked to or Google "Seaspiracy misrepresentation" or similar.
Yossarian
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The parts about slavery in the fishing industry were well-documented long before Seaspiracy.
www.nytimes.com
‘Sea Slaves’: The Human Misery That Feeds Pets and Livestock (Published 2015)
Men who have fled servitude on fishing boats recount beatings and worse as nets are cast for the catch that will become pet food and livestock feed.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Depends what you mean 'duped' though? If someone has been told that giving up eating seafood is the answer and will sort the whole problem out, then yeah, maybe. Although I think there's a much stronger case that people being told that everything can just continue the way it is now and it'll all be OK are the subject of a bigger lie tbh. Same with the NGOs and labelling saying that'll sort it all out.
I mean I largely agree that personal choice and consumer pressure is not going to solve the problem, and the focus on it might actually make things worse by obscuring the bigger changes that actually need to happen. I guess there comes some point though where even if what people buy and eat makes no difference on any measurable level, some level of withdrawing from it as much as possible becomes an understandable position.
Jeff Robinson
Marxist-Lentilist: Jackboots and Jackfruit
The most controversial statistic in the film is the projection of global crashes in commercially exploited fish populations by 2048. What the industry doesn’t mention is that they generated the controversy. Since the 2006 publication of “Impacts of Biodiversity Loss on Ocean Ecosystem Services” in Science magazine, industry groups have doggedly scolded media outletsfor citing it. Professor Ray Hilborn, who founded Sustainable Fisheries UW, emerged as this study’s most prominent critic. A decade later, he would be exposed for not only receiving millions of dollars in seafood industry funding but failing to disclose it as a conflict of interest. While he did work with the author of the 2048 projection on a subsequent paper, this research didn’t correct or disprove its conclusions but rather cited them.
jacobinmag.com
What Seaspiracy Gets Right About the Exploitative Fishing Industry
The slander against the Netflix documentary Seaspiracy says a lot about fishing industry influence in marine science. We have somehow allowed the fisheries industry’s own scientists to define sustainable fishing goals — it’s a disgrace leading to an ecological nightmare.
jacobinmag.com
Mr.Bishie
pickled egg
Anyone?
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Have you drunk any Guinness since then or any other drink using finings or isinglass?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Guinness is now fish-free FWIW.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, since about 2018, while we're talking about since c.1973
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Read what I posted upthread, Bish. The Telegraph article is exactly what Nox is asking for and there’s tons of really well researched, credible, unbiased stuff just a short Google away.
Even that Jacobin piece that Psycho Jeff has just selectively edited and linked to, points out (rather too kindly) that much of Seaspiracy is discredited vegan-lefty bollocks, and Jacobin are a Trot-loon outfit that make The Guardian look Nazi!
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A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Guinness is fish friendly- otherwise no, I only drink cheap booze in the provinces not like that posh fish bladder cleared stuff popular round your way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yes, fish friendly since 2018 or so. were you drinking it before then?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Yes. But I hated all those fishy fuckers then.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
What did it say?
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
"Vegan Propaganda
At the end of the day, Seaspiracy is nothing more than self indulgent, vegan propaganda. Its claims are unsupported by science and it does little to help the cause it wants to support."
Full article:
sustainablefisheries-uw.org
Response:
www.seaspiracy.org
At the end of the day, Seaspiracy is nothing more than self indulgent, vegan propaganda. Its claims are unsupported by science and it does little to help the cause it wants to support."
Full article:
The science of Seaspiracy - Sustainable Fisheries UW
The new Netflix Original film, Seaspiracy, makes some bold claims. We dive into the science and correct several bits of misinformation.
sustainablefisheries-uw.org
Response:
Facts | Seaspiracy Website
Check out all the facts from Netflix's Seaspiracy, with time codes to give you all the information you need to save the seas.
editor
hiraethified
"Vegan Propaganda
At the end of the day, Seaspiracy is nothing more than self indulgent, vegan propaganda. Its claims are unsupported by science and it does little to help the cause it wants to support."
Full article:
The science of Seaspiracy - Sustainable Fisheries UW
The new Netflix Original film, Seaspiracy, makes some bold claims. We dive into the science and correct several bits of misinformation.
Response:
Facts | Seaspiracy Website
Check out all the facts from Netflix's Seaspiracy, with time codes to give you all the information you need to save the seas.
FYI:
"The money comes from the School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences at UW, which oversees the project. Contributors to the project include... and some fishing companies and their affiliated NGOs."
PaoloSanchez
Well-Known Member
Balance and objectivity guaranteed.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
"Vegan Propaganda
At the end of the day, Seaspiracy is nothing more than self indulgent, vegan propaganda. Its claims are unsupported by science and it does little to help the cause it wants to support."
Full article:
The science of Seaspiracy - Sustainable Fisheries UW
The new Netflix Original film, Seaspiracy, makes some bold claims. We dive into the science and correct several bits of misinformation.
Response:
Facts | Seaspiracy Website
Check out all the facts from Netflix's Seaspiracy, with time codes to give you all the information you need to save the seas.
Very widely debunked now. Even The Guardian struggled with it.
Load of old cods.
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