5 yr old girl & 35 yr old man shot in Stockwell

[Jackobi]

Lets be clear about this. teenage boys have shot dead, a young girl and a bloke.

Both were shot, the girl is critical, the man is stable.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

it's become quite famous since a young brazilian was shot there some years ago.

you south londoners make me laugh, with your ludicrous attempts to disguise where you live (st ockwell, st reatham)

That's a pisstake. It makes the yuppie newcomers feel like they're moving somewhere posh

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Both were shot, the girl is critical, the man is stable.

I heard he was critical?

(Maybe he's critically stable)

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

You can ring your fucking hands as much as you like, but not everyone in the community is banging round on mountain bikes shooting people. The vast majority of the communities, as pointed out on the thread are great, balanced, multicultural, law abiding and getting on with life what ever their socio-economic/ethnic status even though they have had the same environmental exposure as the murderers you are excusing

most people are fairly good.. but i wonder what percentage are close to the edge...

what percentage feel presure and feel like they need to punch some one, what percentage feel afraid, what percentage feel like their only option for survival is a knife in the pocket what percentage just go that one step further

hell i am one of the most placed people you can get... but even i when i was a teenager felt that if someone had put a knife in my hands i might have done something i regretted...

 

[Jackobi]

I heard he was critical?

(Maybe he's critically stable)

Perhaps he is one or the other, the headlines are focusing on her critical condition, so I'm not sure.

 

[Summerbaby]

Either you know the poster Giles or you are just banging out your own unimaginative class enemy stereotype bullshit

Lets be clear about this. teenage boys have shot dead, a young girl and a bloke.

You can ring your fucking hands as much as you like, but not everyone in the community is banging round on mountain bikes shooting people. The vast majority of the communities, as pointed out on the thread are great, balanced, multicultural, law abiding and getting on with life what ever their socio-economic/ethnic status even though they have had the same environmental exposure as the murderers you are excusing

Are you a politician or a sensationalist murdoch-esque journalist??? If the answer is neither then you may have found your calling!

Pathetic attempt to divert the attention from the points we are discussing...Let's be clear aboit this no-one is dead yet! To say that I am excusing the 'murderers' is ridiculous. Maybe in youir little world you find it difficult to accept the issues that have been addressed here but I have lived them, as have many of my peers and we are law abiding citizens who get on with our lives but that doesn't mean that we close our eyes to what goes on in our communities and furthermore our WORLD! But don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

the same kid who gives you a wave in the streat and chats to you about how the local team is doing is the same kid who decides that if some one is trying to kick his head in he needs to get a weapon

yes this is an extreame example but these are still products of the same system.

these kids probably didn't pop out the womb holding a gat ganster style something somewhere made them think that was the right thing to do

 

[Plumdaff]

it's become quite famous since a young brazilian was shot there some years ago.

you south londoners make me laugh, with your ludicrous attempts to disguise where you live (st ockwell, st reatham)

I call it St.Ockwell as a pisstake (well, according to estate agents I live in North Cla'am actually) and I'm bloody proud of the place. There's a true community, I know loads of my immediate and not so immediate neighbours and the local shopkeepers, diversity, lovely little hidden pubs and restaurants, Portuguese cafe culture, it's very central - let the snobs stay away, that suits me fine

 

[silverfish]

Are you a politician or a sensationalist murdoch-esque journalist??? If the answer is neither then you may have found your calling!

Pathetic attempt to divert the attention from the points we are discussing...Let's be clear aboit this no-one is dead yet! To say that I am excusing the 'murderers' is ridiculous. Maybe in youir little world you find it difficult to accept the issues that have been addressed here but I have lived them, as have many of my peers and we are law abiding citizens who get on with our lives but that doesn't mean that we close our eyes to what goes on in our communities and furthermore our WORLD! But don't you worry your pretty little head about it.

If no one is dead yet thats alright then?

The rest of your post said nothing really apart from confirm you live somewhere in a city

 

[Gixxer1000]

Echos of the Rhys Jones murder. Lets hope that the local community expel the perpetrators in the same way that they did in Everton.

 

[EastEnder]

It's bizarre how obsessed/paranoid people in London are about location, people will live in Vauxhall or Clapham but rule out a two minute walk into Stockwell... unless a dickhead estate agent fools them into thinking it's "Clapham Border" or something! I don't care though, makes my rent cheaper

I've lived in the centre of Stockwell (which isn't, as many think, by the tube stop, it's actually half way between there and Brixton) for nearly 6 years. It's no worse than most other inner London areas, and a lot better than some I've lived in. If you walk 2 minutes off the main road into the back streets it's all posh Victorian houses and the like. There's the usual problems you get in most inner London areas, but I've never had any real cause for concern.

 

[Giles]

Giles' comments just goes to show that an expensive education and a name like 'tarquin' or 'Giles' for that matter does not an educated man make. Giles your attitude perfectly exposes everything that is wrong with this country. I have no idea why you would come to an urban forum firstly...you very obviously have no understanding of urban issues. Someone who thinks the way you do probably only lives in kilburn because despite your public school education and lack of melanin you are still unable to afford a property far enough away from the brown people of this world.

Well done Eric for articulately describing in great detail the root causes that lead to this type of scenario and to Mrs Magpie for speaking the uncomfortable truth. Unfortunately, attitudes like Giles' are everywhere, especially in the so called upper echelons of society or ruling classes which base their dealings with ethnic minorities on 'the bell curve' and other white supremacist pieces of literature.

Money can not buy class and public school educations can't buy emotional intelligence or wisdom. Giles, I suggest you move to a country which hasn't colonised the majority of the melanined people populated countries of the world and is therefore not dealing with the consequences of doing so.

Firstly, for the record, I did not go to any kind of fee-paying school, but rather to a "bog standard comprehensive".

Secondly, what is with all this "bell curve" "white supremacist" stuff? I did not mention either......

Finally, what do you mean by Britain "dealing with the consequences" of colonialism? Like having lots of different races in our country, you mean? Bound to cause problems, that....

Giles..

 

[Blagsta]

Fuck off Giles

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I've lived in the centre of Stockwell (which isn't, as many think, by the tube stop, it's actually half way between there and Brixton) for nearly 6 years. It's no worse than most other inner London areas, and a lot better than some I've lived in. If you walk 2 minutes off the main road into the back streets it's all posh Victorian houses and the like. There's the usual problems you get in most inner London areas, but I've never had any real cause for concern.

Im sure it is but sadly I am a little put off because it is the only place I have been punched, stabbed (only a little bit though) and robbed in the street. I was also beaten half to death on the clapham end of acre lane if that evens anything out.

Any more news on the victims?

 

[Summerbaby]

You use terminology like..."Lets be clear about this" and proceed to embellish the truth in order to add weight to your argument. If you cared about the community and the issues that affect it, you would have cared enough to find out whether the victims were dead or alive but just like the sensationalist media you spout truth combined with lies, point fingers and shoot anyone down who trys to look at the bigger picture.

Lets be clear about this. teenage boys have shot dead, a young girl and a bloke.

 

[girasol]

Why should your average working and law-abiding person give a toss about these little wankers shooting and stabbing each other over ridiculous and pathetic motives, though?

People choose this lifestyle of violence, intimidation of others and petty crime. This is not the desperate crime of the poor person stealing to feed their kids, is it?

Giles..

Because we live in a community, well, we should anyway. Everyone is affected, our quality of life and freedoms suffer because of it.

Maybe the problem is that people act like they don't belong to a community and act like they're not connected to it or involve themselves. They just wash their hands of it and view other people they don't understand as not valid.

Poverty, neglect and violence affects everyone, duh! Look at what just happened in Stockwell!

 

[Stoat Boy]

Which causes the bottom to drop out of that market leaving them with non transferable skill set and a bad attitude about the system that didn't give them the chance to shine academically?

[/whitemiddleclassteacher]

LOL.

Do you have any idea about the shortgage of qualified trades people in this country ?

What you seem to fail to understand is that shining academically makes no difference now. Almost all of the 'proffessions' are limited to upper-middle class kids now due to this whole nonsense of 'internships'. Thats the reality of a Britain after 12 years of a Labour Government and a Tory Government who show no inclination to do anything to make it any different.

There is no shortgage of graduates. In fact there are so many that they are willing to work for nothing for a period of years just to get themselves a foot on what ever career ladder they want to get on. No self-respecting working class kid is either capable or willing to do that and good on them.

You want to give people from a working class background a serious leg up in the current and future UK jobs market then you give them a good quality trade skill.

I admit to a bias having recently started a new venture in the re-training business but given that I can, for less than the cost of a single year at university, give somebody the ability to legimately call themself a fully qualified plumber or an Electrician (with both discplines including the new and much sort after renewable energy installer quals) along with the experience and back-up to go into a jobs market that has a genuine need for them then I struggle to find out why Government cannot see the logic of stepping into the market place and give kids from places like Brixton and Peckham a real hand as opposed to bullshit music and sports projects.

For working class people getting a trade has been the historic route up the social mobility pole and I see nothing to indicate that has changed. In fact compared to the 50's for the more academically gifted working class kid a trade offers a far better route than university.

 

[Citizen66]

The problem isn't how to get them 'up the social mobility pole'. The problem is that there is a social mobility pole.

 

[Summerbaby]

Firstly, for the record, I did not go to any kind of fee-paying school, but rather to a "bog standard comprehensive".

Secondly, what is with all this "bell curve" "white supremacist" stuff? I did not mention either......

Finally, what do you mean by Britain "dealing with the consequences" of colonialism? Like having lots of different races in our country, you mean? Bound to cause problems, that....

Giles..

I never said that you mentioned any Bell curve, white supremacist stuff, I said that the ruling classes base their dealings with ethnic minorities on "The Bell Curve" which is a white supremacist piece of literature and attitudes like yours derive from a society that treats non-white people like that. And having different races in "our country" wouldn't cause problems if this wasnt the case but sadly it is and we will be dealing with the consequences until there is real and positive change in our society, the same way we will soon be dealing with similar class related issues.

Quite frankly, I have no interest in whether your education was paid for by your parents or our taxes, there are many people who think like you who went to comprehensive schools. Your view fails to address the root causes. Who owns the media companies which bank-roll gangster rappers and only ensure success for Black people who talk about killing each other and treat women as sex objects? Who commissions the programmes that fail to represent ethnic minorities in a positive way? Who makes real and deliberate attempts to silence anyone who speaks the truth about these issues? NOT BLACK PEOPLE, thats for sure.

I suggest you and Silverfish, get together in a pub somewhere and work out how you can lock up all the problematic people of this world so you can live in a harmonious society where no wrong is ever done because all the baaaad people are banged up.

 

[girasol]

Let's not forget that this has a potential to escalate, local kids are already talking about revenge because of the shootings... So within the local community there's a hunt already taking place. Other kids are planning on shooting the teenagers who shot the little girl and a man.

Just checked the South London press, and there's talk of the 'Tamil Tigers' being on the hunt for them.

 

[Kanda]

Quite frankly, I have no interest in whether your education was paid for by your parents or our taxes, there are many people who think like you who went to comprehensive schools.

Why the fuck did you bring it up then??

 

[Summerbaby]

Let's not forget that this has a potential to escalate, local kids are already talking about revenge because of the shootings... So within the local community there's a hunt already taking place. Other kids are planning on shooting the teenagers who shot the little girl and a man.

Sad and true, but as long as the crimes we hear about are perpetrated by young black males its non white people that get caught up in the crossfire, Its all "collateral damage old chap" in the eyes of Giles and the like.

 

[ajdown]

Because we live in a community, well, we should anyway. Everyone is affected, our quality of life and freedoms suffer because of it.

Maybe the problem is that people act like they don't belong to a community and act like they're not connected to it or involve themselves. They just wash their hands of it and view other people they don't understand as not valid.

It's not a case of "not wanting to get involved" - for many people (as I would be, if it had happened near me) it's fear of retaliation. Once you start to speak out publicly against something that is wrong, you often become a target of it and those responsible.

I have no real desire to end up getting shot or stabbed - as much as some round here might like that thought.

 

[silverfish]

You use terminology like..."Lets be clear about this" and proceed to embellish the truth in order to add weight to your argument. If you cared about the community and the issues that affect it, you would have cared enough to find out whether the victims were dead or alive but just like the sensationalist media you spout truth combined with lies, point fingers and shoot anyone down who trys to look at the bigger picture.

"lets be clear about this, teenage boys have shot ----a young girl and a bloke" Happy now

You seem to think that if no one has died it some how changes the nature of the incident, reduces its severity/impact somehow

You seem to think that opinion is not valid unless it has been saturated with emotion, which can only come from postcode proximity to the event and "tenuous" direct personal involvement

Why don't you just shout "You weren't there, You wouldn't understand man" it would add clarity to your argument

 

[silverfish]

Sad and true, but as long as the crimes we hear about are perpetrated by young black males its non white people that get caught up in the crossfire, Its all "collateral damage old chap" in the eyes of Giles and the like.

You are staggering towards parody

 

[RaverDrew]

LOL.

Do you have any idea about the shortgage of qualified trades people in this country ?

What you seem to fail to understand is that shining academically makes no difference now. Almost all of the 'proffessions' are limited to upper-middle class kids now due to this whole nonsense of 'internships'. Thats the reality of a Britain after 12 years of a Labour Government and a Tory Government who show no inclination to do anything to make it any different.

There is no shortgage of graduates. In fact there are so many that they are willing to work for nothing for a period of years just to get themselves a foot on what ever career ladder they want to get on. No self-respecting working class kid is either capable or willing to do that and good on them.

You want to give people from a working class background a serious leg up in the current and future UK jobs market then you give them a good quality trade skill.

I admit to a bias having recently started a new venture in the re-training business but given that I can, for less than the cost of a single year at university, give somebody the ability to legimately call themself a fully qualified plumber or an Electrician (with both discplines including the new and much sort after renewable energy installer quals) along with the experience and back-up to go into a jobs market that has a genuine need for them then I struggle to find out why Government cannot see the logic of stepping into the market place and give kids from places like Brixton and Peckham a real hand as opposed to bullshit music and sports projects.

For working class people getting a trade has been the historic route up the social mobility pole and I see nothing to indicate that has changed. In fact compared to the 50's for the more academically gifted working class kid a trade offers a far better route than university.

Stop talking sense

 

[Summerbaby]

"lets be clear about this, teenage boys have shot ----a young girl and a bloke" Happy now

You seem to think that if no one has died it some how changes the nature of the incident, reduces its severity/impact somehow

You seem to think that opinion is not valid unless it has been saturated with emotion, which can only come from postcode proximity to the event and "tenuous" direct personal involvement

Why don't you just shout "You weren't there, You wouldn't understand man" it would add clarity to your argument

You know nothing, neither do I live anywhere near Stockwell or do I have any tenuous personal involvement. I merely have a brain and a heart and I use them in conjunction with one another. My emotions relating to this incident are universal human emotions; anger, disgust, sadness and contempt. I will cease to converse with you. A wise man once said, 'don't argue with idiots, they will bring you down to their level and beat you at their own game'

And as for the parody comment, a sense of humour is often required to deal with people as ignorant as you.

 

[gabi]

here's the little one..

whoever shot her is gonna have a delightful time of it when he's banged up...

 

[Rushy]

Sad and true, but as long as the crimes we hear about are perpetrated by young black males its non white people that get caught up in the crossfire, Its all "collateral damage old chap" in the eyes of Giles and the like.

I may have missed something that Giles has said but he seemed to be pretty incensed that two people had been pointlessly caught up in cross fire. He and everyone else is, I think, aware that the victims were not white. On the face of it your comment seems a little unfair.

 

[DotCommunist]

nah, fuck him, he's proffesed eugeniscist ideals in the past and all that 'these people' stuff is dogwhistle.