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The last one, a couple of years ago, I have the feeling they knew it was the last. There were several comments from participants along the lines of “as long as you’re here to do it, Michael”.
"49 up" on tonight at 9pm
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Less and less were taking part, too. A couple made it quite clear they weren’t enamoured by being filmed any longer. It was an incredible programme and a brilliant concept. A shame he’s died (and a bit of a shame the format hasn’t been done again).
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
There were grumblings from 14 on. A few dropped out early. One was away for several but came back (to promote his band).
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Great article here on how Apted's initial class critique couldn't really survive as the participants gained agency:
www.thenation.com
Interview with him here which covers this:
Nice litle summary here about what it became:
Michael Apted’s Flawed but Brilliant Epic of British Social Life
The Up series was meant to investigate inequities of British class. It also ended up telling a different story as well.
www.thenation.com
Interview with him here which covers this:
Nice litle summary here about what it became:
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The Lib Dems and the Church'll take anyone!How on earth do you go from homeless bloke in Scotland to being a CouncillorI wish they'd explained such a dramatic transition for Neil. I was very glad for him, but seemed a bit glossed over.
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Excellent article... ive just binge watched the whole thing from start to finish having never seen it before, and i reckon that piece covers all the things that came up between the lines very accurately, particularly addressing Apted's limitations and failures. I found myself bad mouthing him throughout tbh, describing peoples relationships as "failures" and sombre tones about divorce particularly grating.Great article here on how Apted's initial class critique couldn't really survive as the participants gained agency:
Michael Apted’s Flawed but Brilliant Epic of British Social Life
The Up series was meant to investigate inequities of British class. It also ended up telling a different story as well.
On a personal level i found the whole thing slightly depressing - seeing people live out their lives accelerated across several hours of tv is a mirror on your own mortality, and the bit that really stings for me is everyone with their kids and grandkids and how its the most important thing in life message being repeated over and over, and is additionally given weight by Michael Apten patronising and leading questions. I don't have kids and only a little more family, and its made me have to face and own that in a more sober way than i had already.
And on the issue of class that article makes the case - correctly IMO - that over time it showed how people resent their class labels. It mentions: " As Florence Sutcliffe-Braithwaite argued in Class, Politics, and the Decline of Deference in England, 1968–2000, although class continued to matter—even as inequality worsened—people resisted labeling themselves by class; the very word seemed snobbish or blinkered. Most preferred to say they were ordinary, and yet they were still able to define complex identities for themselves. "
This is echoed in the massive Social Class in the 21st Century study. Its a major problem for a left that puts class consciousness and class identity as its starting point, when people resent and try to escape the stigmas of all class identities < something in evidence in all the UP participants. IMO the left can resolve that, not by abandoning class, but by finding new language for class-relationships that sidesteps old class stereotypes. The 99% was a failed attempt at that. The show has reinforced my views on that.
ANYWAY, very interesting stuff. I see on the Wiki page that other countries have started their own UP series, some of which are much more modern - I'd be curious to see a more contemporary version. Has anyone?
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There's a new group with kids who were 7 in 2000 so we should be getting 28up this year. The earlier episodes aren't on iPlayer though.
BBC One - 28 Up: Millennium Generation - The New Generation
28 Up: Millennium Generation profiles: The New Generation
ETA: The only one I could remember before looking at these was the kid who was on the books at Leeds Utd but I seem to remember now one might be the kid of someone high up at the BBC. Either way I found it just as interesting as the original series.
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Almost all of those that stopped taking part returned at some point. Reasons for not getting involved in certain episodes ranged from personal reasons (deaths in family), not liking the way they were being portrayed/edited and that they were subject to vitriolic attacks in the press etc. Both John and Peter came back at some point and used the platform to promote charity or a band. Indeed it was Peter, who detailed that after the 28 episode aired his calmly put comments about the Thatcher governemnt drew lots of horrible media attention. He was a teacher at the time, I imagine that wasn't easy. The only one that we never saw again after 21 was one of the trio of public school guys who then became a journalist/bbc producer/documentary maker, Charles.
I really enjoyed re/watching this series...I don't think I'd ever seen them all but did have very strong memories of watching both 7 & 14 UP at school.
I don't think the psychological and emotional impact of taking part in it can be underestimated. I am glad to read that Apted grew in awareness over the years and accepted that whilst the idea and premise for the programme was interesting and had merit he hadn't adequately thought about the participants enough as 'subjects' and what the experience would mean/do to them.
Buddy Bradley
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Sounds like the sort of name you'd make up as the author of a book on social class...
I loved watching the Up series, mostly because it was one of those programmes that I really remember watching and discussing together as a whole family when I was a kid, and then in later years being able to reflect on what my parents might have felt watching it with their young children, now that I'm older.
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Argh I am pissed off with myself now because I didn't mention this (there'll be more too)...We watched the 63 UP yesterday...Lynn dying wasn't what I expected at all despite knowing she had a known condition for much of her adult life. I was furious they didn't dedicate the programme to her. I am hopeful we just didn't see that part of the credits on the download we watched from.
I grew up in the area and used the library Lynn worked at in Bethnal green for a lot of her life, I was born in the London Hospital literally opposite to the newer central site for the area on Bethnal Green road in Whitechapel.. The first home I remember 1 street away. East End and working class areas throughout the UK are full of people like her who just fucking get on with it, aren't appreciated enough and claim not to be political but are politically savvy beyond most that have a university politics degree. I relate to her and others because of this...my political ideas, ideals and drive were cultivated in the same manor. On council estates.
I come from a long line of working class people, especially women, working themselves to/until death in the best possible way (if there is one). In my everyday life I have mostly been inspired by them.
Lynn, thank you for being you. <3
I grew up in the area and used the library Lynn worked at in Bethnal green for a lot of her life, I was born in the London Hospital literally opposite to the newer central site for the area on Bethnal Green road in Whitechapel.. The first home I remember 1 street away. East End and working class areas throughout the UK are full of people like her who just fucking get on with it, aren't appreciated enough and claim not to be political but are politically savvy beyond most that have a university politics degree. I relate to her and others because of this...my political ideas, ideals and drive were cultivated in the same manor. On council estates.
I come from a long line of working class people, especially women, working themselves to/until death in the best possible way (if there is one). In my everyday life I have mostly been inspired by them.
Lynn, thank you for being you. <3
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28up starting on Wednesday
www.theguardian.com
‘So different’: how the millennials of 28 Up are coping with changing times
As a new chapter of the landmark series begins, life isn’t the same as it was for their baby boomer forbears
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I hope they put the rest of this series to on iPlayer..I haven't seen any of these new ones. No torrents either
Looks like they're on.
BBC One - 28 Up: Millennium Generation - Available now
Available episodes of 28 Up: Millennium Generation
Decided to watch from the start before seeing the 28up episodes. Just finished 14up.
It struck me how little there's anything to do with social media and these.mustve been the last year's before smartphones were everywhere. Also sad to see the Salford lad missing already.
It's heartbreaking to watch. My son was a year younger than them and I'm watching it thinking what he thought his future was gonna be like at that age. Even the most articulate kids on it occasionally say something that's so innovative and revealing.
Really looking forward the getting to the new ones.
It struck me how little there's anything to do with social media and these.mustve been the last year's before smartphones were everywhere. Also sad to see the Salford lad missing already.
It's heartbreaking to watch. My son was a year younger than them and I'm watching it thinking what he thought his future was gonna be like at that age. Even the most articulate kids on it occasionally say something that's so innovative and revealing.
Really looking forward the getting to the new ones.
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just up to the same point in the series - hadnt realised he was missing as theres so many kids in this - yeah hope hes alright
so true though - 14 UP is 2007, about when youtube started to get popular IRC....itll be interesting to see the effect if any by 21 and 28
I'm guessing she just decided not to appear again. The lad called Taime from Salford was the same. I really wanted to know what happened with him he was so funny.
There was one missing at 21 who returned for 28 so I suppose they must try to maintain contact somehow.
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