39 dead in lorry container in Essex, October 2019

[Proper Tidy]

Two arrested today are apparently husband and wife bosses of haulage company

 

[weltweit]

News reporting some of the dead may have been Vietnamese.
Apparently the person who texted from inside the trailer was a Vietnamese woman.

 

[keybored]

Two arrested today are apparently husband and wife bosses of haulage company

There's reportedly been a fourth arrest now. Another guy from NI, at Stanstead.

 

[butchersapron]

really. too fucking soon

Too many times.

 

[kebabking]

really. too fucking soon

Dickhead.

 

[polly]

really. too fucking soon

Yeah I wasn't making a joke. Could have chosen words better, admittedly.

 

[elbows]

At a press conference on Friday evening Deputy Chief Constable Pippa Mills said the force was working with the National Crime Agency, the Home Office, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Border Force and Immigration Enforcement.

She said she would not be drawn on any further detail about the nationalities of the victims until formal identification processes had taken place.

"We gave an initial steer on Thursday on nationality, however, this is now a developing picture," she said.

Vietnamese families fear relatives among 39 dead

Initial steer, developing picture, weasel words. Got nationality stuff wrong before, simple as that.

 

[cupid_stunt]

really. too fucking soon

It was breaking news at the time polly posted, and all the previous posts had just mentioned a lorry container, nothing about it being refrigerated.

Reading it a couple of days later I can see how it comes across, but that wasn't the intention, it wasn't a joke, but a genuine heart felt reaction at the time.

 

[maomao]

If anything cenobyte is the one using polly 's post to make a sick and unwelcome joke.

 

[kenny g]

It's Essex police so you can expect a monumental fuck up in the investigation at nearly every stage. John Palmer death being a classic example, with the Lee Balkwell or Stuart Lubbock "investigations" being par for the course.

 

[Pickman's model]

yeah, right. it's all about who is making the joke right?

You're new here so you may find we take a little getting used to.

 

[polly]

Thanks. I actually feel quite sick that anyone would think I was making that joke.

 

[Pickman's model]

It's Essex police so you can expect a monumental fuck up in the investigation at nearly every stage. John Palmer death being a classic example, with the Lee Balkwell or Stuart Lubbock "investigations" being par for the course.

You're generous with your nearly every stage

 

[Louis MacNeice]

yeah, right. it's all about who is making the joke right?

No it's not. There has only been one person trying to get a laugh out of the deaths of 39 people and that person was you. Why not just apologise and move on?

 

[cupid_stunt]

yeah, right. it's all about who is making the joke right?

It wasn't a joke, they weren't aware of the cause of death at the time.

You need to apologise, or at least shut-up now, or just fuck off.

 

[not-bono-ever]

3 posts and already on the offensive - you are not new here are you ?

 

[moomoo]

Thanks. I actually feel quite sick that anyone would think I was making that joke.

Don’t worry. We didn’t.

 

[moomoo]

This is a video based on the story I told you about the little boy. It’s not easy watching. But it’s what’s happening daily.

 

[butchersapron]

This is a video based on the story I told you about the little boy. It’s not easy watching. But it’s what’s happening daily.

The people behind this also made for sama which is on c4 tmw 9pm. Please watch.

 

[planetgeli]

The driver may turn out to be completely innocent, and, regardless of innocence or guilt, it’s completely out of order for the Guardian and other newspapers to name him and show his picture.

But I still think it takes some explanation as to why any driver would stop where he did, on the approach road, and open the doors to check his load. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation. Maybe someone here can provide one. But as we now know, or at least massively suspect, this was a human trafficking operation it certainly looks like, or at least needs a good explanation as to why it wasn’t the case, that he may have done this under a presumably pre-arranged order to do so. Unless he was forced to.

I’m open to being wrong. But that stopping place looks suspicious.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The driver may turn out to be completely innocent, and, regardless of innocence or guilt, it’s completely out of order for the Guardian and other newspapers to name him and show his picture.

But I still think it takes some explanation as to why any driver would stop where he did, on the approach road, and open the doors to check his load. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation. Maybe someone here can provide one. But as we now know, or at least massively suspect, this was a human trafficking operation it certainly looks like, or at least needs a good explanation as to why it wasn’t the case, that he may have done this under a presumably pre-arranged order to do so. Unless he was forced to.

I’m open to being wrong. But that stopping place looks suspicious.

I can't remember where I heard it, but on one bulletin there was the suggestion he pulled over to double check the paperwork in some pocket, inside the trailer.

 

[planetgeli]

I can't remember where I heard it, but on one bulletin there was the suggestion he pulled over to double check the paperwork in some pocket, inside the trailer.

Yes I read this too. I remain unconvinced (but open to explanation). For one, how has he got this information out while being under arrest? For another, why check the paperwork there (if indeed paperwork is kept within a refrigerated trailer at all)? Why not wait until the drop at a warehouse? People who work on that industrial estate have said he’d have got a ticket if he’d parked there during the daytime. It doesn’t seem like a normal/usual place to stop.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I think it's best to wait for the outcome from the police investigation, TBH.

 

[moomoo]

I think it's best to wait for the outcome from the police investigation, TBH.

Yep.

 

[planetgeli]

I think it's best to wait for the outcome from the police investigation, TBH.

Well, yes, in fact much beyond that I’d rather go on the findings of any possible subsequent trial where his fate is decided by a jury rather than just the police.

But what is Urban if not a place of speculation? And I have openly stated I’m open to explanation from others on here who seem to know a bit about lorry driving.

 

[MickiQ]

Considering the time Plod have held onto him including asking the beak for extra time, I'm not so sure that he is innocent after all though at first I thought he probably was.
He could have pulled over to check his load, or he could have pulled over because he was expecting to let them out, if so I am sure he was as surprised as anyone that they were dead. It's his relatives back in Ireland who were claiming he called the ambulance which is probably true even if he is involved, he had no other real choice at that point whatever his motives.
A murder charge isn't going to stick, manslaughter maybe but not murder.
There's too many co-incidences in the story told by the Vietnamese guy for him to be wrong, I would lay money his sister and her friend are amongst these 39

 

[Orang Utan]

The people behind this also made for sama which is on c4 tmw 9pm. Please watch.

Saw that recently. Incredible film. Lots of people need to see it who won't

 

[kebabking]

I, for one, would be shocked if a haulage driver from South Armagh who's parents were involved in a number of community organisations turned out to be involved in smuggling.

Shocked I say....

 

[stuff_it]

The driver may turn out to be completely innocent, and, regardless of innocence or guilt, it’s completely out of order for the Guardian and other newspapers to name him and show his picture.

But I still think it takes some explanation as to why any driver would stop where he did, on the approach road, and open the doors to check his load. Maybe there’s an innocent explanation. Maybe someone here can provide one. But as we now know, or at least massively suspect, this was a human trafficking operation it certainly looks like, or at least needs a good explanation as to why it wasn’t the case, that he may have done this under a presumably pre-arranged order to do so. Unless he was forced to.

I’m open to being wrong. But that stopping place looks suspicious.

As a lorry driver, you're legally required to check your load frequently, especially when crossing borders. There's no way you could miss that many people.

He's legally responsible for his load regardless of whether he was "in on it" or not, just like you are responsible for the contents of your suitcase at airport customs even if someone else packed it.

 

[existentialist]

yeah, right. it's all about who is making the joke right?

I bet you don't believe you're really that clueless.