But to come from China to here? That is horrible. No way to move from bad place in China to other place in China? If it involves this sort of deathly risk to get to the U.K., that is horrendous.
39 dead in lorry container in Essex, October 2019
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skyscraper101
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This is obviously devastating for all involved.
It'll be interesting to see what the official Chinese response is here. I note already the ambassador in London isn't even acknowledging that they are Chinese right now.
It'll be interesting to see what the official Chinese response is here. I note already the ambassador in London isn't even acknowledging that they are Chinese right now.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
if you look at what's happening to the uighurs fleeing like that becomes more comprehensible
maomao
普費斯
It refers to gangs based in Fujian province of China that specialise in smuggling Chinese nationals to other countries. They're promised well paying jobs over here on arrival but with no documentation to work legally they end up as prostitutes, street dvd sellers, restaurant and agricultural workers (and notably cockle pickers like the 29 who died at Morecambe) to pay off the cost of the initial journey. Threats are often made against their families remaining in China to ensure their continued cooperation. The ones I've spoken to are mostly from Fujian itself though I've also met smuggled people from Guangdong and Guangxi as well as two North Koreans. I haven't spoken to any in the last few years as the pirate dvd market seems to have dried up completely now so they're rarely as visible as they were ten years ago.
maomao
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Every Chinese person has a residence permit called a hukou that states where they're allowed to live and work. Moving to another area without employment prearranged would be even more dangerous than being paperless in the UK.
skyscraper101
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I didn't know that. So you can't just rock up in another city and decide to live there without some kind of job attached and then right ''permission" granted to be there?
maomao
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You could go to another city and get some sort of work but you wouldn't be able to buy a house or car or send your kids to school and you'd probably struggle to rent anywhere decent or get proper medical care.
skyscraper101
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I don't think its been officially announced. The press I've seen are just using phrases like "its been reported" which just means they've read it somewhere else.
This strikes me as a situation the government could resolve if it really wanted to. Given the state apparatus and resources and all. Generally governments like this fix gangster problems by being the biggest gangster in town. Even a mass advertising campaign to warn people would have some effect.
maomao
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It's not the socialist paradise comrade Bala said it was.Sounds pretty hostile there
maomao
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Speaking as someone who briefly owned a small part of a (perfectly legal) small business in China it is unthinkable that something like the snakeheads could exist without some level of official protection (or protection from corrupt officials). We had to have a copper on the board just to open a little school doing evening classes in English. In many ways the Chinese state at local level is little more than a protection racket.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Internal migration in china is made very difficult for certain classes IIRC.
isvicthere?
a.k.a. floppybollocks
You would think so, but a cursory look at social media sadly suggests otherwise.
D'wards
IT'S YOUR DECISION DANIEL
And 
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
For those interested in the brutal maths of the work - this is a fascinating book about a snakehead -stroke-community-leader between the US and Fujian...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snakehead-Chinatown-Underworld-American-Dream/dp/0307279278
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snakehead-Chinatown-Underworld-American-Dream/dp/0307279278
philosophical
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The point made above about the engineering of containers is a good one.
Many years ago I remember the occasional heartbreaking story of a child at play that would be trapped in a large dumped refrigerator. I seem to remember since those incidents domestic refrigerators of varying sizes can be opened from within.
It must surely be possible to have a system where sealed containers can be opened from the inside.
This incident is appalling.
Many years ago I remember the occasional heartbreaking story of a child at play that would be trapped in a large dumped refrigerator. I seem to remember since those incidents domestic refrigerators of varying sizes can be opened from within.
It must surely be possible to have a system where sealed containers can be opened from the inside.
This incident is appalling.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
Police get an extra 24 hours to question the truck driver.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Not if they're padlocked and chained from outside. Which they will have been. They weren't accidentally in there.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
39 lives lost is such a terrible waste regardless of where they came from.
International trucks are sealed to get through customs and also to help prevent stowaways I guess.
cupid_stunt
Where's the bloody sun?
That goes without saying.
But, now it has been confirmed they were all Chinese nationals, the Chinese authorities are sending a team to help to ID them.
Of course but knowing their nationality helps to understand a bit more what actually happened here. Given those poor souls were all Chinese it seems highly unlikely that they were in a refugee camp in Dunkirk and managed to break into the back when the driver was kipping. It seems highly likely that this is full on organised crime people smuggling
No it doesn't.
Mation
real life adventure worth more than pieces of gold
Yes. But that still doesn't (necessarily) implicate the driver. (I don't know if you were saying it does.)
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
This is actually an excellent point, there are plenty of people such as drivers and warehouse workers who have to clamber about in the back of these things for perfectly legitimate reasons. No matter how robust a company's attitude to H&S is there is always the possibility that someone will get trapped.
weltweit
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Yes, I wondered about that also.
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