24 Hours in Police Custody

[BigMoaner]

i think with the true sociopath, the really bad ones, all the good eventually gets sucked out. there is no redeeming features. even her banter with the appropriate adult was cold and empty of anything like connection.

now, not all criminals are like this. bad people can have good sides. like good people can have bad sides. sometimes the ying is bigger than the yang, but there's still the yang!

but i do think these truly dangerous folk - the mechanism of their personality get so dark that they just become shells and the extreme selfishness just takes over. i wouldn't want to be anywhere near her. feel sorry for the Xs.

 

[BigMoaner]

hope she turns it around!

 

[Smokeandsteam]

She was out for blood. Surely that automatically makes her not vegan

And she happily drank the tea, despite stating 'this probably isn't vegan either'....

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Surely with these things the dead giveaway is that nobody is blobbed. Even if the accused, after being found not guilty eventually gave consent, in this context the cops press would never allow it and the TV lawyers would still never let the program pass.

 

[smmudge]

Surely with these things the dead giveaway is that nobody is blobbed. Even if the accused, after being found not guilty eventually gave consent, in this context the cops press would never allow it and the TV lawyers would still never let the program pass.

Yeah I always know from the start they got their conviction because of that reason, doesn't make it any less interesting though!

And in fairness even the final conviction and sentence can be surprising, for instance the case where the man threw his mother over the balcony.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

Yeah I always know from the start they got their conviction because of that reason, doesn't make it any less interesting though!

And in fairness even the final conviction and sentence can be surprising, for instance the case where the man threw his mother over the balcony.

In work in telly making cop shows an the like and the access here is incredibly surprising. Masterful even. To build up that amount of trust with the cops, the cops press and lawyers is almost inconceivable. They way they have gotten around a lot of the legal restrictions on filming is also very impressive. To get these stories they must have been working on an absolute shit load of cases that went nowhere or didn't get a conviction. Then they have to sit on the final product for perhaps as long as a year for all convictions and appeals to be settled, something most production companies would not be willing to do. . . . Then after all that it could all just be wiped out by suicide threat.

 

[Indeliblelink]

I thought the interview with the bloke living on the barge looked like it was done with a concealed camera. Bit morally dubious but I guess he gave consent in the end.

 

[Part 2]

It reminded me of this woman, who I knew in my past work life.
She was offering money on Facebook for someone to hurt someone shortly before the kidnapping incident.

Jail won't do anything for her, or Vicky. They'll make friends among vulnerable women there who'll be sympathetic towards her and who she can call on in future.

South Yorkshire woman faked kidnap plot to frame neighbour who wouldn’t have sex with her

Shaelynn Stewart claimed she was bundled into a black Audi by two men, who punched her and locked her in a "dark room" somewhere in Sheffield, on March 12.

www.thestar.co.uk

 

[ddraig]

And she happily drank the tea, despite stating 'this probably isn't vegan either'....

IIRC she said "probably not gluten free" which is a stupid thing to say about a cuppa, unless it was soup!

 

[neonwilderness]

I thought the interview with the bloke living on the barge looked like it was done with a concealed camera. Bit morally dubious but I guess he gave consent in the end.

Bodycam footage maybe? They've used that in other episodes.

 

[ash]

Did anyone hear the ‘appropriate adult’ say about her photo on her ID card- ‘at least I don’t still look like a serial killer’. Nothing very appropriate about that

 

[Indeliblelink]

It looked like it was in something (a bag maybe) that had been placed lying on a table or shelve so it was facing the bloke, I suppose one of the cops might of been leaning against it.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

IIRC she said "probably not gluten free" which is a stupid thing to say about a cuppa, unless it was soup!

You are right. I’d forgetten the gluten allergy!

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I thought the interview with the bloke living on the barge looked like it was done with a concealed camera. Bit morally dubious but I guess he gave consent in the end.

I didn't see it but a concealed camera would not be allowed. If it was on the cop it would have to be the cops own official work camera and not one the TV company pinned on him. They would then have to go through official channels to obtain a copy of that footage, probably post conviction. Any TV camera has to be fully visible and the owner of the property has to give consent at the time of filming unless the cops have a warrant even then they have to declare who the camera is filming for and why.

 

[Part 2]

I wondered if the confined space of the boat and time constaints may have led to that shot. Looked like a copper could have propped a phone up in the corner to film the statement which I'm guessing could be used in the same way as interview room footage with the agreement of the witness.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I wondered if the confined space of the boat and time constaints may have led to that shot. Looked like a copper could have propped a phone up in the corner to film the statement which I'm guessing could be used in the same way as interview room footage with the agreement of the witness.

I don't think the copper needs the agreement of the witness. Just as long as he is following police procedure and using police kit and NOT anything provided by the TV company/crew. Sometimes cops have their own crew to follow them for assessment/training purposes. It's probably crossing the line the TV company to ask for this, and it's a grey area to ask cops to set up cameras. Bodycam is ok.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Just caught the 2 parts on catchup. What I thought was missing were details about Rob & Vicky's split. Was there an explanation around why Rob was given custody of their daughter. This is not to say Rob was obviously going to be a better parent but all her rage revolves around that event quite understandably.

 

[clicker]

Just caught the 2 parts on catchup. What I thought was missing were details about Rob & Vicky's split. Was there an explanation around why Rob was given custody of their daughter. This is not to say Rob was obviously going to be a better parent but all her rage revolves around that event quite understandably.

I don't think they gave any background to their break up, or I missed it if they did. But I think they said Vicky hadn't seen her daughter for 7 years.
Possibly not giving details for confidentiality in respect of their daughter.

 

[5t3IIa]

Just caught the 2 parts on catchup. What I thought was missing were details about Rob & Vicky's split. Was there an explanation around why Rob was given custody of their daughter. This is not to say Rob was obviously going to be a better parent but all her rage revolves around that event quite understandably.

I would be interested in that too, for completeness. I mean, the part 2 twist could conceivably have been that Rob did this and that and she had a somewhat understandable (though obvs morally and legally highly dubious) reason for wanting him offed. But no mention.

I also agree that the appropriate adult woman was...inappropriate. She had a few facial expressions during the interview too.

It was interesting that the pay-off info text at the end, wrt to outcomes, started with 'found not guilty.....on one count [out of the four]'. We figure that count must have been Hamish the Boat as he had no one to corroborate his statement as she visited him alone to quiz him about nutters, rather than the German Break Down guy, who was quizzed in front of Wayne etc.

Good stuf, as usual. Ginger Rage and You-Won't-Fucking-Believe-This guy were good value but I can't help but think some of the language and reaction to the offender were pretty sexist....in that she was painted as evil and manipulative in a tone that few of the men are. But that's not a discussion I would wish to take any further

 

[DJWrongspeed]

Good stuf, as usual. Ginger Rage and You-Won't-Fucking-Believe-This guy were good value but I can't help but think some of the language and reaction to the offender were pretty sexist....in that she was painted as evil and manipulative in a tone that few of the men are. But that's not a discussion I would wish to take any further

She was certainly manipulative and preyed on certain men. At the end of the day here was a women losing it due to no access to her daughter for 7 years. This seemed to be forgotten in the conclusion.

 

[cyril_smear]

She was certainly manipulative and preyed on certain men. At the end of the day here was a women losing it due to no access to her daughter for 7 years. This seemed to be forgotten in the conclusion.

Don’t you think certain types of people tend to gravitate towards one another though?

 

[Part 2]

Given everything her ex said had happened I think she was fucked up long before meeting him or having a child although I would agree it gave her a focus from thereon.

I've read she had 2 other children. I'm gonna hazard a guess that they were removed from her care. The offence she wasn't convicted of seems to have involved her handyman lover, Daniel Proctor who I don't think appeared in the program.

Mom tried to have ex murdered thrice after losing custody battle, court hears

A mother tried to persuade three separate men to murder her former husband after he won sole custody of their child.

www.iol.co.za

 

[rutabowa]

Courts are usually very keen to make sure both parents get access, you'd have to do something pretty bad to be completely stopped (afaik).

 

[Dandred]

She was only caught because of that one guy, imagine how many other men and women behave like this.

Shocking .

 

[cyril_smear]

I'm bored daft tonight.

There was a show, can't remember how long ago, where 3 guys turned up to evict a drug dealer called love or valentine, or some such from a female friends house, and subsequently ended up killing him. They all got lifed off after one of the guys thought he would get off with it if he bubbled theother two involved. Any body remember the names of the guys involved? Solely for reading thwe case to the pass my time.

 

[MBV]

this: Who was Courtney Valentine-Brown and why is his death on TV? ?

 

[cyril_smear]

this: Who was Courtney Valentine-Brown and why is his death on TV? ?

thank you

 

[cyril_smear]

this: Who was Courtney Valentine-Brown and why is his death on TV? ?

it wasnt 24 hours in police custody it was a different program.

 

[DaveCinzano]

it wasnt 24 hours in police custody it was a different program.

Murder 24/7 - Series 1: Episode 1

Following the critical first two days of the investigation into the murder of 36-year-old Courtney Valentine-Brown, who was found stabbed in a flat in Southend-on-Sea.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[cyril_smear]

Murder 24/7 - Series 1: Episode 1

Following the critical first two days of the investigation into the murder of 36-year-old Courtney Valentine-Brown, who was found stabbed in a flat in Southend-on-Sea.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’m watching it as we speak. Stupidity all round from this bunch.