2016 Coup in Turkey?
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Kai
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Kai
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Again, its a "democracy", can you understand that ? So they cant change the laws according to their own wish.
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teqniq
DisMembered
So would you care to explain why there are a lot of journalists currently languishing in prison mainly for criticising the government or Erdogan himself and/or exposing corruption, on top of them post attempted coup are newly incarcerated members of the judiciary, police force and legal profession whilst 30,000 petty criminals are to be released to make room for them. Please don't expect me to believe that they are all Gullenists or indeed that Gullen himself with the acquiescence/assistance of 'Western powers' is definitely responsible for the attempted coup, something you have so far failed to provide proof of.
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
Ok then Kai:
How would you describe the events of 1915? Many other countries consider them genocide (of the Armenians.) Turkey does not - and is very aggressive about that stance. Can you tell me why that is?
Do you believe that there could or should ever be an independent Kurdish-majority country in the Middle East? Why - or why not? Where could it be?
Do you think Turkey can reply on Kurdish forces to fight IS, while the Turkish state still cracks down on Kurdish armed groups?
Do you think that anyone who criticises Erdogan - on any grounds - is a supporter of the attempted coup?
Do you think that people should be thrown in jail for *purely* expressing opinions, even if those opinions are offensive?
How would you describe the events of 1915? Many other countries consider them genocide (of the Armenians.) Turkey does not - and is very aggressive about that stance. Can you tell me why that is?
Do you believe that there could or should ever be an independent Kurdish-majority country in the Middle East? Why - or why not? Where could it be?
Do you think Turkey can reply on Kurdish forces to fight IS, while the Turkish state still cracks down on Kurdish armed groups?
Do you think that anyone who criticises Erdogan - on any grounds - is a supporter of the attempted coup?
Do you think that people should be thrown in jail for *purely* expressing opinions, even if those opinions are offensive?
To be fair, they don't really need to arrest journalists here. Most of the "respected" "journalists" stick pretty close to the establishment approved message. People that don't tend to be dismissed as "conspiracy theorists" etc.
Everyone's been very well trained.
What did you say to your cat to make him pull that face?!
bimble
floofy
told him i was putting him on ignore.
bimble
floofy
Being serious for a moment, I really take issue with people saying stuff like that:
It's not perfect here by a long way but remember Piggate for instance, what fun we had ?
'Insulting the president' is a criminal offence in Turkey.
I went to a talk last year by a Turkish woman journalist half of whose colleagues were in prison for writing the wrong things. The opposition paper she wrote for has now been closed down, the editor is in jail. It's not the same thing as moaning about how all the interns at the Guardian went to oxford or whatever.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
'who now remembers the armenians'
JAN desecrated one of their crypts and destroyed the lists of names. Bones in the street. Unspeakable behaviour.
e2a not that they haven't been visiting their sadism on the living either obvs
Kai
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There is no journalist in TR who is jailed for "critising" government. Some of them are jailed for publishing documents relevant to the state security, some of them insults people, some of them helps terror organizations and some of them threatens people. Your media is washing your brains ( I will repeat this sentence each time ). There are many journalist or media organs harshly critises government everyday, noone touches them as long as they dont violate the constitution. For example today a journalist told from Twitter "anyone who have racist approaches to others will pay its price, everything is just beginning." This is a threat and he will be detained soon. Probably he will cry in front of the judge and will claim that it was a "misunderstanding" and judges will release him. Again you are brainwashed and falsely informed by your media, these 30.000 persons which will be released are conspiracy sacrifice people, jailed by Gulenist polices and judiciary. Their situation will be investigated and the innocent ones will be released.
You dont have to believe in anything. this is our internal jobs, noone of your business.
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bimble
floofy
"some of them insults people".
Yes. Insulting Erdogan is a criminal offence under Art. 299 of Turkey’s Criminal Code, punishable by one to four years in prison.
The punishment is increased if the insult was public or appeared in print or broadcast media.
How is that ok Kai?
You can insult me, and I can insult you, and nobody has done a crime, nobody goes to prison. Why is Erdogan special?
Yes. Insulting Erdogan is a criminal offence under Art. 299 of Turkey’s Criminal Code, punishable by one to four years in prison.
The punishment is increased if the insult was public or appeared in print or broadcast media.
How is that ok Kai?
You can insult me, and I can insult you, and nobody has done a crime, nobody goes to prison. Why is Erdogan special?
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Kai
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1915 was a war time and many people from various ethnics have died. So called Armenian genocide events is the specialized field of historians, not politicians. Turkiye invited Armenia to create a common research commission about the events and Turkiye also said that any historians from any country in the World can join the comission. We can research together, everyone can put their claims and documents on the table and finally we can decide about it. No countries accept Turkiye's offer. Even no countries accept to open their archieves, other than Turkiye. Turkish archieves open to anyone. So in summary, this is a lie which is used as a political trump card by non-Muslims countries against Turkiye. We are not agressive, you are agressive. You are forcing us to accept a "lie" and we dont. This drives you mad.
Yes Kurds can establish a country whereever they want but not in Turkish lands or Arab lands. They have to find themselves an unowned land somewhere on the Earth or space.
Which is called as "Kurdish forces" by Western countries are the Syrian arm of PKK terror organization. So they are not legimate. Looks like to say Al-Qaeda is a good organization because they fight ISIS.
Ofcourse critising the government does not mean supporting coup attempt. Government supporters also critizes goverment all the time.
"Purely" expressing opinion cant be a reason to jail people. I have explained that in my pre post.
gawkrodger
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I think the phrase I'm looking for is 'LOL'
teqniq
DisMembered
quoted for posterity.
The methods of control are by no means as crude, but they're still there.
Provoking nuclear war by media
Allowing leaders to be mocked acts as a pressure release valve so the pressure doesn't build to a level which might force change. There's some annoying idiot on LBC late at night that I sometimes listen to if I'm in the car who goes on these rants about how bad politicians are and how they're all corrupt. But he does it in a "humorous" way with stupid jingles and sound effects and all the time I'm thinking, "Why are you laughing at this? What the fuck is funny about this? These fuckers should be swinging from a lamp post." But that's the point - laughing at them releases the pressure.
coley
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In fairness,there is another on that here says much the same, but in a more articulate and reasoned manner
bendeus
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Bollocks to this. I lived and worked in your wonderful, free country and found it without doubt the most chauvenistic and repressive place I've ever lived in. Full of wonderful people with wonderful politics, most of whom were very careful about who they spoke about those politics with. It was made very clear to me at the time that I shouldn't mention Kurds in a work situation, let alone Kurdistan. It was also crystal clear that doing so would have consequences.
There was a school over the road where, every day, they would raise the flag and the kids would line up to intone a paean to a golden bust of Ataturk. Meanwhile, the gececondos were growing and the folk from Anatolia were arriving in ever greater numbers. They appeared to give no fucks for social liberalism, feminism, etc., and from what I understand they're the natural constituency of Erdogan and, as a result, are now in the ascendency.
Funnily enough, loads of journalists were getting locked up then as well (under Ciller) at a time when the MHP (fascists) were doing pretty damn well in the polls, so either our Western media has continued to lie about your democratic paradise or maybe, just maybe, it's fucking true.
Amusingly, my stint in Turkey also coincided with the Susurluk scandal, which doubtless is also a western media confection designed to impugn the good name of the Turkish state.
coley
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Could you expand on that? sounds like a different version of Turkey that most of us have been fed over the years and could probably be more informative than the 'look away, Turkey is a much needed NATO ally'' bollocks we have had shoved down our throats.
Ta.
That's about right.
Turkey Coup: Undone by Demographics
The more conservative and religious rural folk have, over the years, outbred the liberal urban types and have now established substantial populations in the cities to rival the liberals.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Possible.
The use of English is "interesting". Kai has no problem forming complex sentences in a grammatically-correct manner, yet has issues writing simple stuff. Smells very much like someone pretending to be something they're not, which was/is the daffy Taffy's forte.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's certainly tedious enough to induce sleep, just like most of what post-2005 Ern wrote, the sad middle class faux-leftist skidmark.
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