Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[sealion]

You're a leave voter, then?

yes

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Fucking hell; is this what's happened to P&P.

Basically, Philosophical has been asking the same question for maybe a half a year or more and now we all sound as bad as him

 

[Ranbay]

 

[DexterTCN]

Basically, Philosophical has been asking the same question for maybe a half a year or more and now we all sound as bad as him

Not really. He came in, set out his position, showed concern at the apparent racist undertones of brexit...and then asked brexiters about the solution to the upcoming clusterfuck in northern ireland.

The answers have been

1: remainers need to fix that as they're so concerned about it
2: EU bad
3: Greece
4: non-EU immigrants

 

[toblerone3]

When I got divorced it cost me a fortune - as part of the process I enriched several solicitors and I bought someone I can't stand the sight of a house, and (perhaps rather obviously) went from living in a two income household to living in a one income household. Not only was I materially poorer at the end of the divorce than I was at the beginning, but it appeared that I was then always going to be poorer than had I stayed married - but I considered that concrete cost, and the opportunity cost in the future, to be money very well spent. I still do - in fact I would consider no longer being married to my first wife such a valuable prize that it would have been fantastic value at 5 times the price.

Leaving the EU isn't about being richer or poorer, it's about not wanting to be part of something that makes you unhappy.

Why does it make you unhappy? Many of the reasons given by leave voters are based upon ignorance.

Euromyths are hardly ever challenged on this thread. European Commission in the UK - European Commission

I voted to remain and not just for economic reasons. Staying in the EU isn't just about being richer or poorer, it's about not wanting to leave a broader political and cultural entity that (on balance) makes you happier.

 

[Pickman's model]

Why does it make you unhappy? Many of the reasons given by leave voters are based upon ignorance.

Euromyths are hardly ever challenged on this thread. European Commission in the UK - European Commission

I voted to remain and not just for economic reasons. Staying in the EU isn't just about being richer or poorer, it's about not wanting to leave a broader political and cultural entity that (on balance) makes you happier.

I'm a reluctant remainer on the basis this government couldn't negotiate its way out of a wet paper bag, and because the eu's existence delays the onset of the major war/s I believe will arise in the next ten years. The eu is riddled with shortcomings and the good things about it, mainly the cultural things, are a thin icing on a rotten cake.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Or indeed the other family members that were staying in the house such as NI, Scotland and Gibraltar who've all been quite happy in the house and insisted they wanted to stay but are now being forced out of the house because of one troublemaker who says they all have to leave as well.

The troublemaker hasn't bothered to arrange a new place or confirm financial arrangements for the rest of us. The troublemaker has also been running up shit loads of debt, causing fights all over, making up stories and refuses to talk to anyone else currently in the house who is asking for an explanation.

Why do people talk about Scotland voting leave?

Scotland did no such thing, Scotland wasn't given a vote. Cos, Scotland's a country and as such is incapable of voting. A majority of people who reside in Scotland voted remain, including two colleagues who are from Sussex, yet my Scottish sister and Weedgie mates' votes were cast in England. The United Kingdom was given a vote, one eligable person, one vote, not within any constituency, be it a parliamentary one, a European Parliament one, or an English, Scotland etc. one.

But if you will insist on blethering on about how 'Scotland voted remain', try to remember that by that token, 'Wales voted leave'.

 

[DexterTCN]

Weedgie?

Nobody's pulling on underpants mate.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Not really. He came in, set out his position, showed concern at the apparent racist undertones of brexit...and then asked brexiters about the solution to the upcoming clusterfuck in northern ireland.

The answers have been

1: remainers need to fix that as they're so concerned about it
2: EU bad
3: Greece
4: non-EU immigrants

As well as several solutions to the land border in that place they call Ireland.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Why do people talk about Scotland voting leave?

Scotland did no such thing, Scotland wasn't given a vote. Cos, Scotland's a country and as such is incapable of voting. A majority of people who reside in Scotland voted remain, including two colleagues who are from Sussex, yet my Scottish sister and Weedgie mates' votes were cast in England. The United Kingdom was given a vote, one eligable person, one vote, not within any constituency, be it a parliamentary one, a European Parliament one, or an English, Scotland etc. one.

But if you will insist on blethering on about how 'Scotland voted remain', try to remember that by that token, 'Wales voted leave'.

Thanks Bahnhof, I keep greeting about the fact that no one told me the Vote was U.K. wide “except for voters in Scotland” like what they do with our telly.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Weedgie?

Nobody's pulling on underpants mate.

Ha
edit: in fairness it took me three attempts to spell Bahnhof right and it’s there in front of me.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I'm a reluctant remainer on the basis this government couldn't negotiate its way out of a wet paper bag, and because its existence delays the onset of the major war/s I believe will arise in the next ten years. The eu is riddled with shortcomings and the good things about it, mainly the cultural things, are a thin icing on a rotten cake.

Does it really delay the onset of The War? I have no idea to be honest but would be interested to know your thoughts on how it does so.
First point certainly taken though!

 

[philosophical]

As well as several solutions to the land border in that place they call Ireland.

The concept of 'solutions' might be open to dispute.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

The concept of 'solutions' might be open to dispute.

No more rides on your merry go round sir we might all be sick on your shirt

 

[Pickman's model]

Does it really delay the onset of The War? I have no idea to be honest but would be interested to know your thoughts on how it does so.
First point certainly taken though!

Yes, yes it does but there is a tension with the trump administration which is hellbent on creating the conditions for war earlier than might be desirable

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Yes, yes it does but there is a tension with the trump administration which is hellbent on creating the conditions for war earlier than might be desirable

I wondered whether all the tension within the Eurozone might cause a Stramash anyway, but who would ken in these turbulent times.

 

[kebabking]

Why does it make you unhappy? Many of the reasons given by leave voters are based upon ignorance.

Euromyths are hardly ever challenged on this thread. European Commission in the UK - European Commission

I voted to remain and not just for economic reasons. Staying in the EU isn't just about being richer or poorer, it's about not wanting to leave a broader political and cultural entity that (on balance) makes you happier.

I've worked within an EU structure, I really didn't like what I saw, I now work within a NATO structure and the attitudes I see from both the governments and the 'deep states' of the overwhelming majority of European states make me want to vommit.

I need no lessons from the EU in what it's about, and telling people they are ignorant isn't a path to political success....

 

[billbond]

toblerone3 said: ↑
Why does it make you unhappy? Many of the reasons given by leave voters are based upon ignorance.

Same can be said for the remain voters
Only have to look on you tube to see how many idiots voted to stay. Most of the reasons they give are lies and wrong

 

[brogdale]

All this shite about degrees of political 'sovereignty' relating to happiness.
tbh I actually think the technocratic, de-democratised bureaucracy of the supra-state is almost a more honest response to the actual sovereignty of globalised capital compared to the morbid, impotent nostalgia of nationalism.

 

[billbond]

 

[brogdale]

An example of incoherent twaddle from a multi-millionaire tory supporter?

 

[billbond]

An example of incoherent twaddle from a multi-millionaire tory supporter?

oh forgot the multi millionaire Labour and remain voters are so few in numbers (cough)

Lilly Allen, Lineker, Bragg,izzard etc and the other millionaire champagne socialists
I forgot its only Millionaires that follow Jezza and are anti brexit that can be mentioned, and their twaddle shown.

 

[philosophical]

No more rides on your merry go round sir we might all be sick on your shirt

Don't blame you, maybe bumper cars are more your thing.

 

[brogdale]

oh forgot the multi millionaire Labour and remainer voters are so few in numbers (cough)

Lilly Allen, Lineker, Bragg,izzard etc and the other millionaire champagne socialists
I forgot its only Millionaires that follow Jezza that can be mentioned, and their twaddle shown.

What?
You just posted up some utter bollox.
Presumably you don't agree with that stuff?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

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[Bahnhof Strasse]

Weedgie?

Nobody's pulling on underpants mate.

Wedgie is pulling on pants.

Mate.

 

[Poi E]

The Union will be able to ensure that things are bad enough for them to do nothing else; they'll factor in that another decade of austerity will see a spontaneous groundswell of support for re-joining

Thought you were speaking of what would happen after Scottish independence.

 

[DexterTCN]

Wedgie is pulling on pants.

Mate.

And weegie is someone from Glasgow mate, not weedgie.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

And weegie is someone from Glasgow mate, not weedgie.

Can spell it either way, mate.

My scumbag mate from Govan spells it as I do, or rather, I spell it as he does.

 

[brogdale]

Thought you were speaking of what would happen after Scottish independence.

Can't see anything in the content or context of the post that would suggest I was commenting on Scottish independence from the UK.