Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Poi E]

Can't see anything in the content or context of the post that would suggest I was commenting on Scottish independence from the UK.

Skim read it and all the Scottish stuff. Anyway, any chance to have a go at another ghastly fucking union, eh?

 

[gosub]

All this shite about degrees of political 'sovereignty' relating to happiness.
tbh I actually think the technocratic, de-democratised bureaucracy of the supra-state is almost a more honest response to the actual sovereignty of globalised capital compared to the morbid, impotent nostalgia of nationalism.

Fair point of view I suppose


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Since you're giving up on democracy, at least give the opportunity for someone who hasn't to double down on their position.

 

[gosub]

Emmanuel Macron rejects Theresa May's plea for help to rescue her Brexit plan


As I understood it the 'Chequers deal' was hammered out between Number 10 and Merkel, then presented to everyone else Cabinet,... Businesses... the EU.. as a fait a complete. Why should Macron prop it up? It guarantees German hegemony.


It that sort of shit I voted to get away from. Mrs May, you fucked up, but there isn't time to rearrange deck chairs. Art 50 extension period is the only logical way forward

 

[brogdale]

Fair point of view I suppose


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Since you're giving up on democracy, at least give the opportunity for someone who hasn't to double down on their position.

Sorry, but I don't qualify according to the state's criteria.
So, I'm afraid that's a no from me.

 

[Kaka Tim]

oh forgot the multi millionaire Labour and remain voters are so few in numbers (cough)

Lilly Allen, Lineker, Bragg,izzard etc and the other millionaire champagne socialists
I forgot its only Millionaires that follow Jezza and are anti brexit that can be mentioned, and their twaddle shown.

Has anybody here shared assainine facebook wank from any of these people? (and you forgot nick clegg and andrew adonis by the way)

 

[SpackleFrog]

Emmanuel Macron rejects Theresa May's plea for help to rescue her Brexit plan


As I understood it the 'Chequers deal' was hammered out between Number 10 and Merkel, then presented to everyone else Cabinet,... Businesses... the EU.. as a fait a complete. Why should Macron prop it up? It guarantees German hegemony.


It that sort of shit I voted to get away from. Mrs May, you fucked up, but there isn't time to rearrange deck chairs. Art 50 extension period is the only logical way forward

Why does it guarantee German hegemony sorry? I think I've missed something - not clear from article what it is that Merkel is fine with but Macron isn't. Why is Germany more disposed to allowing flexibility on services than France?

 

[gosub]

Why does it guarantee German hegemony sorry? I think I've missed something - not clear from article what it is that Merkel is fine with but Macron isn't. Why is Germany more disposed to allowing flexibility on services than France?

leaving on German terms may suit some especially Germany, it does n't really help pull German in the direction EUrozone needs....Macron has his own problems (not sure how aware of some of them he is).

 

[Ranbay]

Mega lolz

 

[Toast Rider]

Tories strip 'right to equality' from EU withdrawal Bill

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine

 

[Pickman's model]

Tories strip 'right to equality' from EU withdrawal Bill

Welcome my son, welcome to the machine

The story about animal sentience there really shit too

 

[SpackleFrog]

Mega lolz View attachment 145238

To be fair while Grimes is a dick and I hope they fine him more, the ECHR was drafted in 1950 by the Council of Europe, an organisation totally seperate from the EU which includes Turkey, Iceland and possibly in the future Kazakhstan. So not a great spot from the Eye really.

 

[SpackleFrog]

leaving on German terms may suit some especially Germany, it does n't really help pull German in the direction EUrozone needs....Macron has his own problems (not sure how aware of some of them he is).

Well, obviously leaving on German terms would suit Germany, no disagreement there. Why would a rigid approach to services pull Germany in the direction the Eurozone needs though and what are the structural reasons that this would advantage Germany but disadvantage France?

 

[xarmian]

Irrespective of the nationalist guff fed to their base/electorate, tory notions of Brexit have only ever been based upon accelerating capital's withdrawal from the supposed post-war consensus and transition from welfare state to consolidator/oligarchic state.

It's all about the base.

Less like a divorce than leaving a party because it's boring and they won't let you play your tunes and some cokeheads said they could get you into a VIP lounge. They drop by their dealer on the way and get you to spot them the cash. They take the coke to get it past security and then tell security to throw you out. And you're left in a strange town with no money, no drugs and nowhere to play your tunes.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Less like a divorce than leaving a party because it's boring and they won't let you play your tunes and some cokeheads said they could get you into a VIP lounge. They drop by their dealer on the way and get you to spot them the cash. They take the coke to get it past security and then tell security to throw you out. And you're left in a strange town with no money, no drugs and nowhere to play your tunes.

Had a bad night mon?

I feel like there's a lot of personal projection going on with some of these analogies...

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Had a bad night mon?

I feel like there's a lot of personal projection going on with some of these analogies...

Yeah I wouldn’t have liked to have been married to some of these people.

WELL IT WAS YOU THAT WANTED A DIVORCE TROUBLEMAKER

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yeah I wouldn’t have liked to have been married to some of these people.

WELL IT WAS YOU THAT WANTED A DIVORCE TROUBLEMAKER

Woman 'trapped in loveless marriage' after judges refuse divorce

 

[gosub]

Well, obviously leaving on German terms would suit Germany, no disagreement there. Why would a rigid approach to services pull Germany in the direction the Eurozone needs though and what are the structural reasons that this would advantage Germany but disadvantage France?

Rigid approach to services - leads to the collapse of EUropean logistics in quite a short order. {Cabotage got all the physical stuff to where it is; unpicking the UK transport fleet from that requires FAR GREATER THOUGHT than has yet happened] , pulling Germany in the direction the EUrozone doesn't advantage Germany; quite the opposite -but needs to be handled carefully as to not to further destabilise German politics.

All a bit complicated, but can't be sensibly resolved in the existing Art 50 window. - So extend the window and take the lessons on board

 

[brogdale]

Less like a divorce than leaving a party because it's boring and they won't let you play your tunes and some cokeheads said they could get you into a VIP lounge. They drop by their dealer on the way and get you to spot them the cash. They take the coke to get it past security and then tell security to throw you out. And you're left in a strange town with no money, no drugs and nowhere to play your tunes.

Less like a night out than factions of the right party of capital dividing over the most effective manner to accelerate withdrawing from the concessions made to labour under the era of 'system competition'.
Some oligarchs fund a pressure group/party to effect withdrawal from the supra-state with its inconvenient, inertia legacy of concessions, devise a populist (super-structural) strategy appealing to the opposition's base and promote notions of nationalism, anti-immigration sentiment. Dodgy funding of these themes helps to overturn 30 years of majority pro-EU polling on 23/06/16 and delivers the result.
And you're left in a strange country with Atlanticist loons, 'free-market' fundamentalists and the super-rich having an absolute ball.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Rigid approach to services - leads to the collapse of EUropean logistics in quite a short order. {Cabotage got all the physical stuff to where it is; unpicking the UK transport fleet from that requires FAR GREATER THOUGHT than has yet happened] , pulling Germany in the direction the EUrozone doesn't advantage Germany; quite the opposite -but needs to be handled carefully as to not to further destabilise German politics.

All a bit complicated, but can't be sensibly resolved in the existing Art 50 window. - So extend the window and take the lessons on board

Why would it lead to the collapse of European logistics? Perhaps it is complicated - please try me. The article you linked to made no attempt to explain the point, so would be grateful if you can. Not asking if you think there should be an A50 extension, just asking you to explain your claim re France, Germany and services.

 

[gosub]

Why would it lead to the collapse of European logistics? Perhaps it is complicated - please try me. The article you linked to made no attempt to explain the point, so would be grateful if you can. Not asking if you think there should be an A50 extension, just asking you to explain your claim re France, Germany and services.

Sounds like a Thursday question. Today is Tuesday.

 

[Pickman's model]

Sounds like a Thursday question. Today is Tuesday.

the day after tomorrow is thursday, so perhaps SpackleFrog prescient rather than tardy

 

[Chz]

To be fair while Grimes is a dick and I hope they fine him more, the ECHR was drafted in 1950 by the Council of Europe, an organisation totally seperate from the EU which includes Turkey, Iceland and possibly in the future Kazakhstan. So not a great spot from the Eye really.

Yes, but there's also nothing on Earth that Theresa May hates more, as it stops her going for the full fascist treatment that she'd like to subject the country to. Her number one priority in Brexit isn't trade deals, the Irish border, customs arrangements or even immigration. It's leaving the ECHR. And ECHR membership is a mandatory part of EU membership. So they are tied quite closely.

Granted, like most jokes, it's not quite as funny when you explain it.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Sounds like a Thursday question. Today is Tuesday.

I probably should have realised you had no idea what you were talking about and were just trying to feel involved. This one is on me.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Yes, but there's also nothing on Earth that Theresa May hates more, as it stops her going for the full fascist treatment that she'd like to subject the country to. Her number one priority in Brexit isn't trade deals, the Irish border, customs arrangements or even immigration. It's leaving the ECHR. And ECHR membership is a mandatory part of EU membership. So they are tied quite closely.

Granted, like most jokes, it's not quite as funny when you explain it.

This is complete nonsense. You think May is motivated by visions of torture and death camps? Go and have a glass of water and a lie down.

The thing May wants most out of Brexit is for it to not happen and everyone to forget about it. That's very unlikely but if you want to understand her motivations, there they are.

These endless conspiracy theories about what the Tories *really* want are extremely boring at this point.

 

[brogdale]

This is complete nonsense. You think May is motivated by visions of torture and death camps? Go and have a glass of water and a lie down.

The thing May wants most out of Brexit is for it to not happen and everyone to forget about it. That's very unlikely but if you want to understand her motivations, there they are.

These endless conspiracy theories about what the Tories *really* want are extremely boring at this point.

wrt to Brexit there is no entity that can be termed "the Tories".

 

[Chz]

This is complete nonsense. You think May is motivated by visions of torture and death camps? Go and have a glass of water and a lie down.

The thing May wants most out of Brexit is for it to not happen and everyone to forget about it. That's very unlikely but if you want to understand her motivations, there they are.

These endless conspiracy theories about what the Tories *really* want are extremely boring at this point.

May has always wanted out of the ECHR, and has publicly said so enough times in her history. You're correct that she'd rather not have brexit, but since that isn't going to happen she's at least going to try and get what she wants out of it. I don't recall having any visions of torture or death camps - morning drinking again, perhaps? Or just your usual pure bullshit hyperbole?

 

[butchersapron]

If this was always her overriding pre-occupation and endgame you'd think the last thing she would have done then is to campaign to stay in the EU wouldn't you? Yet she did.

 

[not-bono-ever]

I think allocating May any hard held principles apart from the survival of her party is a bit hopeful tbh

 

[Pickman's model]

May has always wanted out of the ECHR, and has publicly said so enough times in her history. You're correct that she'd rather not have brexit, but since that isn't going to happen she's at least going to try and get what she wants out of it. I don't recall having any visions of torture or death camps - morning drinking again, perhaps? Or just your usual pure bullshit hyperbole?

yeh she's always wanted out of the echr

 

[SpackleFrog]

wrt to Brexit there is no entity that can be termed "the Tories".

You're absolutely right, they are completely split on the issue between the Remain and Leave camps. But my comment was directed at those on these boards who regularly insist that they know the 'secret Brexit agenda' of Remain Tories like May. I'm just sick of reading comments like "This is secretly what they wanted all along" etc.