Yet another US college gun slaughter - "at least 10" killed in Oregan shooting

[BandWagon]

BandWagon, the problem isn't "Americans," it's areas of horrific deprivation, deprivation that should've been addressed decades ago, and not with the prison-industrial complex. This is, at long last, beginning to happen, but it'll be a long, hard road. Specific gun control measures will play a part, but only a part, and a small one. America's murder rate has already fallen significantly while its gun laws have, generally, liberalized.

That's the society that Americans voted for.

 

[MrsDoyle]

 

[likesfish]

Smartguns killed off by a stupid but well meaning new jersey law

One of the problems is US gun control law is made by people who dont like guns so it ends up as well thought out as drug laws see the " deadly barrel shroud" no Idea wtf the speaker was talking about.
California has banned flash hiders but muzzle breaks are legal. ( its a bit that goes on the end of a rifle).
Diffrence is really what a manufacturer calls it
Flash hider illegal
Same thing called a muzzle break legal

 

[8den]

8den, I disagree with the NRA on a ton of stuff, from universal background checks, to arming teachers. Way too much of the time, they're a bad self-parody.

So I've no problem with licenses to own and carry, training requirements, etc. None of these change the fact that, if high gun ownership were the problem, several peaceful nations ought to be bloodbaths. The correlation just ain't there.

The L.A. buyback hands over $100 or, occasionally, $200 gift cards on a no-questions-asked basis. No questions are asked, and gift-cards are used, because the authorities don't want to knowingly pay criminals for illegal weapons. TBF, it's barely a figleaf, so in one sense you're right; but as it's not compensating people for the actual value of their weapons, it's not comparable to the British and Australian programmes.
.

So you think buy backs won't work because the LA buy back wasn't on a large enough scale and therefore is not comparable to the British or Australia buy backs?

Did you even read that back?

Why wouldn't large scale buy backs work in the US?

 

[likesfish]

The problem is a lot of yanks actually belive the only thing stopping the american goverment shoving them in death camps is their rifle
That fuckwit with the fedora going shopping with an Ak47 isnt alone

 

[MrsDoyle]

Instead of arguing about guns on Twitter, Neil deGrasse Tyson just laid out the numbers.

 

[MrsDoyle]

For links documenting every incident, click the urls below. These are summaries, written in the first-person voice, of actual reasons people used their guns last month in America. This is insanely worrying and can't really be defended by the second amendment lobby.


Victim's family believes argument over adult movie led to shooting

Man arrested for accidentally shooting woman during sex

http://www.carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Militiamen-s-political-spat-ends-with-gunshot/1/1/21157

http://6abc.com/family/cops-mother-of-8-killed-by-ex-after-fight-over-diaper-money/1080715/

http://www.people.com/article/florida-man-kills-self-after-murdering-twin-daughters?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_content=buffer6f8a0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://fox59.com/2015/11/14/indianapolis-police-arrest-father-for-fatally-shooting-his-son/

http://www.wtae.com/news/man-arrested-after-shooting-neighbor-over-steelers-game-argument/36464656

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/17/hpd-searching-woman-after-man-shot-during-argument/75915112/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452149/-Oklahoma-man-arrested-for-42-drive-by-shootings-in-one-night

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Sulphur-Police-allege-poker-booze-guns-and-tempers-escalated-to-murder-353104141.html

http://www.people.com/article/louisiana-woman-pretended-shed-been-kidnapped-after-shooting-son-friend

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20151124/NEWS/151129752/101040?Title=Deputies-Man-trying-to-kill-opossum-shoots-himself-in-leg

http://www.courierpress.com/news/police-no-charges-expected-after-teen-accidentally-shoots-mom--25876d89-bddd-5702-e053-0100007f48e2-355823531.html

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/man-showing-how-to-clean-gun-accidentally-shot-friend-in/article_0c143a76-9855-11e5-85fa-cf9bd1a12d56.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2015/11/29/Muslim-taxi-driver-shot-on-Thanksgiving-in-Pittsburgh-calls-attack-a-hate-crime/stories/201511290154

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/mississippi-man-guns-down-waffle-house-waitress-after-she-asks-him-not-to-smoke/

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/police-neighbor-shot-man-over-parking-spot-17912.shtml#.Vl9_E3jimTD

14-year-old feels responsible over death of teen shot by man protecting vehicle

 

[MrsDoyle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidemic-in-america.html?_r=0

 

[BigMoaner]

america has always struck me as the pinnacle of civilization on one hand, and on the other the most uncivilized country in the world.

 

[hash tag]

Help your local police; go shoot a drug dealer Maine Governor Tells Gun Owners To 'get Rid Of Drug Dealers' | WABI TV5

 

[Pickman's model]

For links documenting every incident, click the urls below. These are summaries, written in the first-person voice, of actual reasons people used their guns last month in America. This is insanely worrying and can't really be defended by the second amendment lobby.


Victim's family believes argument over adult movie led to shooting

Man arrested for accidentally shooting woman during sex

http://www.carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Militiamen-s-political-spat-ends-with-gunshot/1/1/21157

http://6abc.com/family/cops-mother-of-8-killed-by-ex-after-fight-over-diaper-money/1080715/

http://www.people.com/article/florida-man-kills-self-after-murdering-twin-daughters?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_content=buffer6f8a0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://fox59.com/2015/11/14/indianapolis-police-arrest-father-for-fatally-shooting-his-son/

http://www.wtae.com/news/man-arrested-after-shooting-neighbor-over-steelers-game-argument/36464656

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/17/hpd-searching-woman-after-man-shot-during-argument/75915112/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452149/-Oklahoma-man-arrested-for-42-drive-by-shootings-in-one-night

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Sulphur-Police-allege-poker-booze-guns-and-tempers-escalated-to-murder-353104141.html

http://www.people.com/article/louisiana-woman-pretended-shed-been-kidnapped-after-shooting-son-friend

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20151124/NEWS/151129752/101040?Title=Deputies-Man-trying-to-kill-opossum-shoots-himself-in-leg

http://www.courierpress.com/news/police-no-charges-expected-after-teen-accidentally-shoots-mom--25876d89-bddd-5702-e053-0100007f48e2-355823531.html

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/man-showing-how-to-clean-gun-accidentally-shot-friend-in/article_0c143a76-9855-11e5-85fa-cf9bd1a12d56.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2015/11/29/Muslim-taxi-driver-shot-on-Thanksgiving-in-Pittsburgh-calls-attack-a-hate-crime/stories/201511290154

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/mississippi-man-guns-down-waffle-house-waitress-after-she-asks-him-not-to-smoke/

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/police-neighbor-shot-man-over-parking-spot-17912.shtml#.Vl9_E3jimTD

14-year-old feels responsible over death of teen shot by man protecting vehicle

oklahoma drive-by shootings: the link says no people were shot.

 

[Pickman's model]

For links documenting every incident, click the urls below. These are summaries, written in the first-person voice, of actual reasons people used their guns last month in America. This is insanely worrying and can't really be defended by the second amendment lobby.


Victim's family believes argument over adult movie led to shooting

Man arrested for accidentally shooting woman during sex

http://www.carrollspaper.com/Content/Local-News-Archive/Local-News/Article/Militiamen-s-political-spat-ends-with-gunshot/1/1/21157

http://6abc.com/family/cops-mother-of-8-killed-by-ex-after-fight-over-diaper-money/1080715/

http://www.people.com/article/florida-man-kills-self-after-murdering-twin-daughters?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_content=buffer6f8a0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

http://fox59.com/2015/11/14/indianapolis-police-arrest-father-for-fatally-shooting-his-son/

http://www.wtae.com/news/man-arrested-after-shooting-neighbor-over-steelers-game-argument/36464656

http://www.khou.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/17/hpd-searching-woman-after-man-shot-during-argument/75915112/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/19/1452149/-Oklahoma-man-arrested-for-42-drive-by-shootings-in-one-night

http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/Sulphur-Police-allege-poker-booze-guns-and-tempers-escalated-to-murder-353104141.html

http://www.people.com/article/louisiana-woman-pretended-shed-been-kidnapped-after-shooting-son-friend

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20151124/NEWS/151129752/101040?Title=Deputies-Man-trying-to-kill-opossum-shoots-himself-in-leg

http://www.courierpress.com/news/police-no-charges-expected-after-teen-accidentally-shoots-mom--25876d89-bddd-5702-e053-0100007f48e2-355823531.html

http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/man-showing-how-to-clean-gun-accidentally-shot-friend-in/article_0c143a76-9855-11e5-85fa-cf9bd1a12d56.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/city/2015/11/29/Muslim-taxi-driver-shot-on-Thanksgiving-in-Pittsburgh-calls-attack-a-hate-crime/stories/201511290154

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/mississippi-man-guns-down-waffle-house-waitress-after-she-asks-him-not-to-smoke/

http://www.foxsanantonio.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/police-neighbor-shot-man-over-parking-spot-17912.shtml#.Vl9_E3jimTD

14-year-old feels responsible over death of teen shot by man protecting vehicle

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20151124/NEWS/151129752/101040?Title=Deputies-Man-trying-to-kill-opossum-shoots-himself-in-leg not sure a ricochet injuring self really counts.

 

[likesfish]

Thing is you can go buy a gun with no training at all.
On another board somebody was asking how to load the semi automatic ak47 he'd just brought.

Fortunatly for all concerened another board member lived local to him and took him to the range.
They have a really casual attitude to guns keeping a loaded pistol in a drawer to deal with burgulars is not uncommon

 

[two sheds]

I'm sure the retort would be "please wait mr burgular until I load my gun" - so a problem inherent in people owning guns for that reason.

 

[likesfish]

I'm sure the retort would be "please wait mr burgular until I load my gun" - so a problem inherent in people owning guns for that reason.

But as the persons "plan" involved keeping the loaded pistol in the Kitchen drawer

 

[two sheds]

Logical enough, in with all the knives - useful if you're getting forgetful as you get older.

Gives you good cover, too, easy access as you offer the burglar a cup of tea.

 

[Pickman's model]

Thing is you can go buy a gun with no training at all.

i frequently buy things with no training at all. i do not believe i have ever been trained in the art of buying things

 

[likesfish]

Most of the things you buy are not specially designed to kill and can kill you or others if you fuck up.
Try to buy an aeroplane or car they will at least want to see a licence

 

[Pickman's model]

Most of the things you buy are not specially designed to kill and can kill you or others if you fuck up.
Try to buy an aeroplane or car they will at least want to see a licence

yeh. but you don't need training in the actual buying of the item, despite your claim.

 

[likesfish]

Pendant

 

[laptop]

i do not believe i have ever been trained in the art of buying things

What was the subtext of your schooling and socialisation, then?

 

[Pickman's model]

What was the subtext of your schooling and socialisation, then?

you seem to be confusing desire for something for the mechanics of purchasing.

 

[phildwyer]

They have a really casual attitude to guns keeping a loaded pistol in a drawer to deal with burgulars is not uncommon

It supposedly brings peace of mind. They don't keep it loaded, but many women I know in the USA have a .22 somewhere in the house. It's known as a "Saturday Night Special." Can you guess why?

 

[Pickman's model]

It supposedly brings peace of mind. They don't keep it loaded, but many women I know in the USA have a .22 somewhere in the house. It's known as a "Saturday Night Special." Can you guess why?

Saturday night special - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[laptop]

you seem to be confusing desire for something for the mechanics of purchasing.

But the art of it is so much more profound than the mechanics, darling!

 

[Pickman's model]

But the art of it is so much more profound than the mechanics, darling!

you don't see much art to it in a sainsburys or tescos on a weekday evening

 

[laptop]

you don't see much art to it in a sainsburys or tescos on a weekday evening

You're not trying hard enough. Or so I'm told when I say "I just want us to get the things on this list."

 

[laptop]

Anyway. Shootings.

They're spreading.
Saudi Arabia shooting: Attacker 'kills six' at Jazan education office - BBC News

 

[phildwyer]

View attachment 83347
Saturday night special - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Traditionally the preferred weapon of "negroes hopped up on goofballs." The sort of gun you'd only consider using when wildly intoxicated. That's the general idea.

 

[phildwyer]

Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but it's the best study I've read of these massacres: