articul8
Dishonest sociopath
Thought Socialist Equality Party had rebranded as "A world to win":
http://www.aworldtowin.net/about.html
Or is that a split?
http://www.aworldtowin.net/about.html
Or is that a split?
Workers Power have split
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Three - another Bordiguist ICP which publishes Internationalist Papers, they used to have a member in liverpool (as did the Communist Left ICP) - not sure if they have any today.
Geoff Collier
Active Member
The SPGB split in about 1990/1. The people who left formed a kind of provisional SPGB, often described as the Ashbourne Court group, which upheld the basis positions of the organisation. I think the issue was that the party had welcomed the collapse of stalinism in the "soviet" bloc, which the minority saw as supporting the political groups leading the overthrow. Since the SPGB is supposed to be hostile to all parties except themselves (and their co-thinkers abroad, obviously) that amounted to a betrayal. I think there was a secondary issue (which actually makes some difference in the real world) - the party had started describing themselves as the Socialist Party (omitting the GB) in attempt to seem more attractive. The minority saw this as some betrayal of principle too. Hence why the formerly-Militant SP missed out on the electoral registration.
Since then the SPGB (Socialist Standard) has drifted further away from their declaration of principles. In particular, newer members don't seem to understand that they are supposed to be in favour of utilising the existing state machinery for the transition to socialism
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
They are the re=branded "Communist League" splinter of the WRP. the Movement for a Socialist Future. Not to be confused with the Movement for Socialism, another WRP splinter, this time from the Workers Press faction. Some posters may have encountered them on the Liverpool Dockers' picket line touting themselves as Reclaim the Future, dressed as hippies and banging bongoes.
Hmm. Must add these to the list...
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Every time someone tries to clarify the situation I just get more confused.
Geoff Collier
Active Member
SEP are the World Socialist Website. A World to Win are the group formerly known iirc as the Communist League (but not the Pathfinder Press version) who split from Vanessa Redgrave's Marxist Party (of which Gerry Healy was a member at the time of his death). The CL was the group that published the fascinating biography of Healy with the forward by Ken Livingstone and the pullout guide to dialectics
Jean-Luc
Well-Known Member
Fifth International is so 90s.
Looks more like the Seventh International to me. This sort of logo (used on occasion by all Trotskyist groups) neatly reflects the state of the productive forces in Russia at the time of the Bolshevik revolution: factory workers worked with hammers and peasants with sickles.
Mind you this one's not much better (they already had combined harvesters in America at that time):
There's an anectdote about an SLP member called Hammer who called his son Armand
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I think I gave up many years ago when I found out that the Communist Party of Britain and the Communist Party of Great Britain were two different organisations.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
However, don't get confused with "A World to Win" the publication of the aforementioned Maoists of the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Indeed. It is.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
SEP are fucking dodgy. They are always going on about never to join unions, perhaps because they're owned by an extremely anti-union owner of a publishing firm.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
the updated list...
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
I still struggle to remember which one is Morning Star and which one is Weekly Worker.
Amateur.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Nah. Liberals.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Looks more like the Seventh International to me. This sort of logo (used on occasion by all Trotskyist groups) neatly reflects the state of the productive forces in Russia at the time of the Bolshevik revolution: factory workers worked with hammers and peasants with sickles.
Mind you this one's not much better (they already had combined harvesters in America at that time):
There's an anectdote about an SLP member called Hammer who called his son Armand
That SLP one is an allusion to the logo of the First International
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This is the power of democratic centralism, vanguardism and one party being able to see further than the mass of workers in practice. The theory works.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
Is that meant to be an insult?
articul8
Dishonest sociopath
what about International Communist Union/Workers' Struggle?
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
I wonder how many have more than 5.
Geoff Collier
Active Member
Surely the only WRP now is the group that still produces Newsline. I suppose the other side of the split still exists in some form - or forms - but it isn't easy to spot.
Geoff Collier
Active Member
Is Barbara Slaughter still alive?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If only these people had some sort of figurehead to keep everyone on message and do away with whingeing troublemakers. A sort of kindly uncle figure perhaps. With a moustache.
emanymton
A cat politely sat on the flaming gardener.
A number of anarchist organisations on the list as well.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Workers Fight in the UK I think...they're on the list don't worry!
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