Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[thedockerslad]

Dockerslads supports the islamic war, what grounds are you dying on?

 

[telbert]

If you ain't?

Insurg

ok, if you were an insurgent deep deep behind enemy lines. Would you give your target the chance to get close to you and do you harm, or the chance to escape and identify you later . Just to be sporting .

Insurgents? Deep, deep,behind enemy lines?
This was fucking Woolwich.

 

[agricola]

This is not what happened.Two cowardly fucking savages tried to decapitate an unarmed,totally unaware man in woolwich.After they smashed him up in the air with a car. Thats what happened.

You forgot "and then got shot up, by a woman".

 

[telbert]

It seems the red wine has taken its toll on my typing skills, so i bid you all good evening.

 

[Casually Red]

I've noticed several times on U75, when Islamonut murderers are being discussed, that people who want (rightly, IMO) to condemn the killers insist (wrongly, IMO) that the killers are cowards.

The murderers are hateful Sharia-mongering shits, but they are not cowards. In fact, they tend to be a very self-sacrificing bunch. They risk their lives - or deliberately throw their lives away - for their cause. They have the courage of their fanaticism, bolstered by their belief that dying in jihad makes them martyrs and so ensures their passage to heaven. Islamoshite fanatics make formidable fighters, as Soviet and later US and other Western soldiers have learnt in Afghanistan. Sadly, there is no shortage of them.

Why do people here insist these ruthless killers are cowards? I guess it's because calling someone a coward is a way of condemning them and calling someone brave sounds like praise. I think it is better to look at the world more clearly and speak more honestly. People with horrible reactionary politics and murderous methods are not necessarily cowards, just as people with progressive ideas are not necessarily brave.

spot on

 

[thedockerslad]

This is not what happened.Two cowardly fucking savages tried to decapitate an unarmed,totally unaware man in woolwich.After they smashed him up in the air with a car. Thats what happened.

Disgusting. Everyone knows you can get a battery powered chainsaw in B&Q for peanuts these days.

 

[manny-p]

Cowards for attacking an innocent man who can't fight back?

How anyone can call a member of the British armed forces 'innocent' is quite unbelievable. Look at the victims cv -""An experienced and talented side drummer and machine gunner, he was a true warrior and served with distinction in Afghanistan, Germany and Cyprus," said his commanding officer Lt Col Jim Taylor."

I am not condoning what happened to him. But anyone who is in the armed forces for 7 years is not the same as a civilian.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

These two weren't 'formidable fighters'. Having decided to throw their lives away, this was the best they could do?

 

[Anudder Oik]

As if it weren't tragic enough when their lives are wasted in Afghanistan...The boy was a drummer.

 

[frogwoman]

How anyone can call a member of the British armed forces 'innocent' is quite unbelievable. Look at the victims cv -""An experienced and talented side drummer and machine gunner, he was a true warrior and served with distinction in Afghanistan, Germany and Cyprus," said his commanding officer Lt Col Jim Taylor."

I am not condoning what happened to him. But anyone who is in the armed forces for 7 years is not the same as a civilian.

they didnt know that when they killed him tho did they? and when he was walking around on the street he hadn't done anything to them

 

[Frumious B.]

They attacked a defenseless man, but then waited for armed police and ran at them with knives. How can the second part not be brave? That's the question we keep ducking. Never mind, bed time.

 

[JHE]

As if it weren't tragic enough when their lives are wasted in Afghanistan...The boy was a drummer.

Music is haram.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

They attacked a defenseless man, but then waited for armed police and ran at them with knives. How can the second part not be brave? That's the question we keep ducking. Never mind, bed time.

I don't think it's an important question, though, tbh. If you've decided to kill yourself, is the final jump off the stool brave? I guess so in some ways, but not necessarily in others.

 

[butchersapron]

They attacked a defenseless man, but then waited for armed police and ran at them with knives. How can the second part not be brave? That's the question we keep ducking. Never mind, bed time.

Ducking? We just did that. Ducking? Whats been ducked exactly? Why?

 

[frogwoman]

Music is haram.

to islamist fanatics yes, not to the majority of muslims though.

 

[Casually Red]

Insurg

Insurgents? Deep, deep,behind enemy lines?
This was fucking Woolwich.

and what ? whys woolwich immune from political violence and half the bloody world not immune from the violence of the inhabitants of woolwich barracks and their associates .

 

[butchersapron]

and what ? whys woolwich immune from political violence and half the bloody world not immune from the violence of the inhabitants of woolwich barracks and their associates .

Explain in simple terms why your comrades reacted as they did.

 

[manny-p]

they didnt know that when they killed him tho did they? and when he was walking around on the street he hadn't done anything to them

Some of the soldiers the IRA blew up didn't do anything to them. Same thing.

 

[butchersapron]

Some of the soldiers the IRA blew up didn't do anything to them. Same thing.

What's the thing manny and whose thing is it?

 

[frogwoman]

Some of the soldiers the IRA blew up didn't do anything to them. Same thing.

I dont think this is the same thing as the IRA at all tbh. The IRA have/had popular support, I don't think these people are representing anyone except a very very small minority of people.

Theres loads of stuff that comes with western Islamism that didn't come with irish republicanism.

 

[manny-p]

What's the thing manny and whose thing is it?

Killings of military involved in imperialist conflicts.

 

[telbert]

They attacked a defenseless man, but then waited for armed police and ran at them with knives. How can the second part not be brave? That's the question we keep ducking. Never mind, bed time.

I think i just heard my alarm call.
As i've already said,death is nothing to fear for a jihadist 67 virgins an' all that(personally i'm with Billy Connelly on this. I,d much rather have 67 fucking sluts waiting in heaven for me.)

 

[Casually Red]

Some of the soldiers the IRA blew up didn't do anything to them. Same thing.

those guys in Hyde park and Deal certainly didnt . Unless they annoyed them with a trumpet . On the telly.

 

[manny-p]

I dont think this is the same thing as the IRA at all tbh. The IRA have/had popular support, I don't think these people are representing anyone except a very very small minority of people.

Why not? Both had political goals. Both have been done as revenge to British military policy.

 

[Frumious B.]

British army is a volunteer army and anyone signing up in the last few years knew they would serve a tour or two in Afghanistan or Iraq. So it's entirely logical for a jihadist to see them all as willing killers of muslims. It doesn't suit them to differentiate between infantry, bandsmen, cooks, medics, chaplains etc etc

 

[butchersapron]

Killings of military involved in imperialist conflicts.

Not the war, just the killings - think now...

 

[Casually Red]

Explain in simple terms why your comrades reacted as they did.

what comrades are those

and what is it you think they were reacting to

 

[frogwoman]

Why not? Both had political goals. Both have been done as revenge to British military policy.

I don't think this is just about imperialism. And I also don't think attacking coalition forces in Iraq etc or doing what the IRA did or what palestinian etc armed groups do is the same as what these cunts did.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with what these groups did btw I'm just saying it's completely different to kill someone who's not directly involved in fighting you, in your own back yard, far away from where the wars are going on. One can legitimately be seen as part of a war as much as you or i might disagree with it. and the other .. well ...

 

[The39thStep]

How anyone can call a member of the British armed forces 'innocent' is quite unbelievable. Look at the victims cv -""An experienced and talented side drummer and machine gunner, he was a true warrior and served with distinction in Afghanistan, Germany and Cyprus," said his commanding officer Lt Col Jim Taylor."

I am not condoning what happened to him. But anyone who is in the armed forces for 7 years is not the same as a civilian.

Not sure what your point is? Civilians aren't legit targets but he was? Not the same a a civilian so that doesn't make it that bad? Open up the second front?

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

No, you're suggesting that this story did not and does not deserve to be at he top of the headlines (your media obsession here writ tru). Why not and what does the fact that it is tell you (beyond everyone else being unclean).

Where did I suggest that? You suggesting someone suggested something and the actual occurence can be complete coincidence. You make stuff up. Very often. Fuck knows why.