Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[D'wards]

Not if you don't chat shite.

Am i being accused of some sort of racism here, or is it just pedantic semantics?

 

[telbert]

The part of Belmarsh that the Muslim "politicals" are held in is high security. Getting a revolver in there would be akin to getting an elephant's dick up a mouse's arse - impossible. Shivs though, not quite as difficult.
So, the only plausible scenario if escape from Belmarsh was involved would be these blokes breaking out, and jumping into a car where a gun and knives had been deliberately stashed there for them, IYSWIM.
BTW, sounding like the revolver was a rebored Brocock (which uses cartridges charged with compressed air, but gets rebored by idiots so it'll take pistol ammo), so the fact that it blew up in the bandito's hand isn't surprising.

Out of interest, what makes you think it was a Brocock?

 

[Pickman's model]

Am i being accused of some sort of racism here, or is it just pedantic semantics?

yes

 

[ViolentPanda]

Am i being accused of some sort of racism here, or is it just pedantic semantics?

You were asked (by me) to substantiate your "a lot of people" claim. You didn't, therefore you, by a process of elimination, must have been chatting shite, so it's not about wither of the above, it's about you mouthing off.

 

[D'wards]

yes

what?

Racism is surely stretching it a bit far

 

[ViolentPanda]

Out of interest, what makes you think it was a Brocock?

It was a revolver and it "blew up".
I've fired thousands of rounds through revolvers, and I've never had a round or a revolver blow up, or heard of one doing so - they're made to be able to withstand over-pressure by a factor of at least 2 - whereas I've heard numerous stories in the media and from acquaintances about Brococks either fracturing or blowing apart from the pressure of a single live round. Also, Brococks are still the most prevalent "modified" weapon available

 

[D'wards]

You were asked (by me) to substantiate your "a lot of people" claim. You didn't, therefore you, by a process of elimination, must have been chatting shite, so it's not about wither of the above, it's about you mouthing off.

Sigh, okay then i'll indulge you to stop you getting all nasty

Judging by my facebook feed a lot of people on there, 95% being English, are supporters of Help the Heroes and regularly "share" pictures of support for them. This went into overdrive since the murder.

How do you cope in the real world if you take offence at something as innocuous as that? Your life must consist of you getting really angry and stamping your size sevens all day

 

[ffsear]

Sigh, okay then i'll indulge you to stop you getting all nasty

Judging by my facebook feed a lot of people on there, 95% being English, are supporters of Help the Heroes

You fucking racist!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I can see the sense of that. But it's entirely possible that people can radicalise despite those precautions, and it might not be noticed.

Oh, absolutely. I suspect that while the policy minimises the possibility, it doesn't eliminate it, and frankly screws aren't the most difficult people to outwit, even if they're not corrupt.

 

[where to]

no, not who said it, LINK or stfu.

That's as much as you get with manners like that.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sigh, okay then i'll indulge you to stop you getting all nasty

If I were getting nasty, you'd know about it.

Judging by my facebook feed a lot of people on there, 95% being English, are supporters of Help the Heroes and regularly "share" pictures of support for them. This went into overdrive since the murder.

So what you actually mean is "a lot of people I know", which isn't the same as "a lot of people".

How do you cope in the real world if you take offence at something as innocuous as that? Your life must consist of you getting really angry and stamping your size sevens all day

So many assumptions in such a short sentence!
I'm not "angry", I'm bemused by ignorance.
I haven't taken offence, I sought elucidation.
My life consists of plenty of things.
My feet are size ten, not size seven.

And you, you're a plum.

 

[ffsear]

Love how they literally look like pigs here

 

[D'wards]

If I were getting nasty, you'd know about it.

And you, you're a plum.

And you, sir, are a kumquat

 

[Frumious B.]

They all carry tazers on their person as part of their kit. Looks like it was straight to the hip. Given the circumstances the sidearm was the correct weapon of choice.

On the car they carry a
Remington shot gun (For animal destruction)
A baton gun
Two rifles
all in a locked safe

On their person they carry
A glock pistol (Primarily to defend the car with in case it comes under attack)
Tazer
Pepper spray
Thunder flash
Extendable batton


Not many fire arms plod actually get to shoot anyone. It'll have been quite a traumatic experience for both coppers I would guess.

No MP5?

I'm thinking the officers, confronted by people running towards them with meat cleavers, would have had to use pistols and would barely have had a chance to aim. They did well to hit them at all. But everyone is conspiralooning about the mystery of them not being killed.

 

[shygirl]

from CIf, interesting worrying post, fantasist or true?

A frank admission about all their dirty tricks, executions, collusion with loyalists, etc . Interesting.

 

[Pickman's model]

Love how they literally look like pigs here

 

[Pickman's model]

That's as much as you get with manners like that.

this is urban, we all have manners like that

 

[Lord Camomile]

Just seen them also doing a search on the TV.

Stupid question is stupid question, but: what are they searching for? They've got the two guys, I can't imagine they're looking for 'clues'. Is it just making sure no weapons or 'owt were dropped?

 

[Pickman's model]

No MP5?

I'm thinking the officers, confronted by people running towards them with meat cleavers, would have had to use pistols and would barely have had a chance to aim. They did well to hit them at all. But everyone is conspiralooning about the mystery of them not being killed.

cops in crap at shooting shocker

 

[likesfish]

A frank admission about all their dirty tricks, executions, collusion with loyalists, etc . Interesting.

You utter plank http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Nemesis-File-Story-Execution/dp/185782167X
Next you be beliving this pile of poo

 

[Pickman's model]

Just seen them also doing a search on the TV.

Stupid question is stupid question, but: what are they searching for? They've got the two guys, I can't imagine they're looking for 'clues'. Is it just making sure no weapons or 'owt were dropped?

they're searching for their lost overtime

 

[butchersapron]

Love how they literally look like pigs here

Pigs don't pray to allah. They might thank him though.

 

[Frumious B.]

Sure, they'll get a fair trial because they committed a crime.
What about those detainees in Belmarsh etc who were/are detained on "intelligence" that they're involved, but against whom no proof is presented - the people whom our government allowed violation of habeas corpus in order to detain without charge - does that show the US the "fair" way to deal with terrorists too?

But the Abu Qatada phenomenon is being resolved fairly and in accordance with European human rights law. The guy was under house arrest for ages, it can't have been fun for him, but it was about 10,000% more humane and patient than what the US would have done. I hope his story gets publicized in Islamic countries.

 

[likesfish]

Just seen them also doing a search on the TV.

Stupid question is stupid question, but: what are they searching for? They've got the two guys, I can't imagine they're looking for 'clues'. Is it just making sure no weapons or 'owt were dropped?

Any evidence plus bit embarrasing if a live round turns up might even be looking for the bullets the cop fired at them

 

[Pickman's model]

But the Abu Qatada phenomenon is being resolved fairly and in accordance with European human rights law. The guy was under house arrest for ages, it can't have been fun for him, but it was about 10,000% more humane and patient than what the US would have done. I hope his story gets publicized in Islamic countries.

i sure it has been. but whether from the perspective you'd like ... there may lie some difficulty

 

[shygirl]

You utter plank http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Nemesis-File-Story-Execution/dp/185782167X
Next you be beliving this pile of poo

Uh?! I haven't read anything on this, don't know anything about Nemesis file story. Just remember all the shite that took place during the war (troubles).

 

[Sasaferrato]

Police shoot to stop. If they shoot you and then you fall down they can't shoot you again they have to justify each shoot. While the army is taught to keep shooting until your sure he is dead and then if he hasn't surrendered a couple more is fine just to make sure he isn't faking being dead.
If they had tasers they might well have used those. As taking life is supposedly the last resort.

Army was two aimed shots into the center of the chest. If that was two SLR rounds...

 

[shygirl]

I had a book by Kitson in the early 80's, (lent it to someone and never got it back), which got banned. It exposed a lot about dirty tricks.

 

[Sasaferrato]

They knew this was coming off? slow response due to coordinating response, temporary change of SOP in order to have live suspects available for interrogation?

Perhaps. BBC News web site says that both suspects were 'known' to the intelligence services.

 

[likesfish]

Uh?! I haven't read anything on this, don't know anything about Nemesis file story. Just remember all the shite that took place during the war (troubles).

Some random nutjob gobbing off is not an admission of anything.
Dodgy stuff went down no doubt but I doubt anyone involved would be gobbing off on a cif about it.