Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[elbows]

Turn on, tune in and chop out.

 

[butchersapron]

Individual stuff is a sign of breakdown of organisation or of defeat.

 

[shygirl]

this would be low intensity operations i suppose.

I just remember counter-insurgency tactics in its title.

 

[Pickman's model]

I just remember counter-insurgency tactics in its title.

 

[likesfish]

You want a "'military" solution kitsons your man shows the lack of knowledge of NI that people actually thought that was ever an answer.

 

[Casually Red]

You want a "'military" solution kitsons your man shows the lack of knowledge of NI that people actually thought that was ever an answer.

worked eventually though with a bit of refinement.

 

[shygirl]

Never been banned, that I'm aware.
he's a fucking shit writer, though. I read a historical biography he wrote of Cromwell. The prose was as dry as a mother superior's chuff.

The 108 bookshop in Cardiff definitely got a request to return the books to the publisher/distributor, and not to sell any more copies.

 

[shygirl]

You want a "'military" solution kitsons your man shows the lack of knowledge of NI that people actually thought that was ever an answer.

What people?

 

[Pickman's model]

You want a "'military" solution kitsons your man shows the lack of knowledge of NI that people actually thought that was ever an answer.

i do think that his influence on british policy in the six counties has been somewhat overstated

 

[JimW]

Never been banned, that I'm aware.
he's a fucking shit writer, though. I read a historical biography he wrote of Cromwell. The prose was as dry as a mother superior's chuff.

I had that Cromwell one (in the back of me cab once) - Cromwell as general sort of thing as i recall. Was piss-poor, I agree.

 

[butchersapron]

You want a "'military" solution kitsons your man shows the lack of knowledge of NI that people actually thought that was ever an answer.

You got paid money to be in the army. There are no ends with kitson. Techniques as politics. Grow up, you're in your late 50s now.

 

[friedaweed]

No MP5?

I'm thinking the officers, confronted by people running towards them with meat cleavers, would have had to use pistols and would barely have had a chance to aim. They did well to hit them at all. But everyone is conspiralooning about the mystery of them not being killed.

Aye that's what I meant by rifley things. I don't play COD so they all just look like guns to me. I had hold of one last week, freaked the shit out of me.

 

[Idaho]

Individual stuff is a sign of breakdown of organisation or of defeat.

It's a logical conclusion.

 

[Corax]

Seems like Robinson's call at 5.44 was a pretty good one, eh?

Why'd ya get so wound up about his post, (that I re-posted)?

Have you got a serious comprehension problem?

That it turned out to be correct, does not mean that taking his post as fact so soon after the event was a sensible thing to do. I'm starting to wonder if you're genuinely a bit thick.

Huge pinch of salt to all reports at this point, IMO. Eyewitnesses are shit.

Pinch of salt does not mean 'wrong', by the way. Google it if needs be.

People latching on to initial reports and speculation cause panic, confusion, and in the worst cases puts innocent people at risk when the wrong culprits are 'identified'. It's an entirely dense and counterproductive way to react, has been demonstrated as utterly stupid after numerous previous 'major events', and is driven by nothing more than a morally repugnant glee and excitement in seeing a dramatic event unfold before their eyes. And yet still you defend it.

 

[Corax]

You can think what you like. You're still spouting poorly understood conjecture about mental health on the internet. We can't and don't know a thing, but there's no evidence of any acute illness in that clip.

I agree within accepted definitions of mental illness. But those definitions are to some extent arbitrary, and some might argue that they could be drawn a lot wider.

I can see the argument both ways personally. Discussion for a different thread though I guess.

 

[ddraig]

Lee Rigby was the victim
'served' in Afghanistan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22644857

 

[Lord Camomile]

I thought the family had asked his name not be used?

 

[laptop]

I thought the family had asked his name not be used?

I remember seeing a "yet" in there.

They'll have had some very gentle pressure from sympathetic senior officers, I'll warrant.

 

[ddraig]

when? yesterday?
bound to get out and be used either way

 

[JHE]

According to BBC sources, Mr Adebolajo, a Briton of Nigerian descent, comes from a devout Christian family but took up Islam after leaving college in 2001

Converts to the religion of peace and tolerance are disproportionately highly represented among jihadis in Britain.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Can't remember when it was, just remember hearing it at some point (though I think likelihood is it was today).

 

[Streathamite]

The demographics have changed quite rapidly in the past 20 years, it was overwhelmingly white in the early 90's and a lot of the pubs were out and out racist. I was in Woolwich last year for the first time in about ten years and although theres been some money spent on the centre there's still a lot of deprivation.

Woolwich and Plumstead High St area have long been pretty deprived, ditto charlton, but I think you're right re; demographics

 

[Streathamite]

A Communications Data Bill of the kind that Lord West and that Reid advocate wouldnt have prevented this attack - if the security services were interested in them (at least to the degree that would be required to prevent this) they would almost certainly have had access to that sort of information / data already. As for "a new sort of terrorism", you are right that its virtually impossible to guard against (lets face it people stab and chop each other up for usually daft non-political reasons on occasion in London already) but I doubt that it would lead to a wider trend of attacks - as that schoolteacher apparently said to one of the suspects, there are more of us than there is of them, they would lose.

from what I hear, these two wankers were already on the police/SB radar anyway

 

[cesare]

Woolwich and Plumstead High St area have long been pretty deprived, ditto charlton, but I think you're right re; demographics

Aye, those are still socially deprived areas but the mix of people has shifted along. It's a bit like the East End in that way, although different mix of people.

 

[Frumious B.]

So the total domestic blowback from our adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Yemen, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya etc etc etc is one dead yesterday, 52 dead and 700 injured in the 7/7 bombings, 5 injured at Glasgow airport in 2007...is that the lot? All in all I feel we've got off quite lightly. We should be feeling....pleased? Relieved? Smug? Victorious? Ashamed? Disgusted? Frightened? How does everyone feel, on this little island which is so determined to punch above its weight?

 

[Streathamite]

A mate of mine I sometimes go out with occasionally (although not very close tbf) has posted some stuff that's a bit - "it's not about religion, it's about illegal immigrants coming to this country and wanting to kill us all" it's weird as well because she's a traveller originally

It's even weirder cos one of them was British-born, and the other was in the counttry entirely legally

 

[ffsear]

He was a Dad, 2 year old son.

 

[Streathamite]

Still trying to work out how the EDL turning up at Woolwich and then throwing bottles at the police fits in with 'defending' the UK from Johnny Foreigners.

given that EDL members are generally not the sharpest tools in the box, I doubt very much if they've worked that one out either as yet

 

[littlebabyjesus]

So the total domestic blowback from our adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Yemen, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya etc etc etc is one dead yesterday, 52 dead and 700 injured in the 7/7 bombings, 5 injured at Glasgow airport in 2007...is that the lot? All in all I feel we've got off quite lightly. We should be feeling....pleased? Relieved? Smug? Victorious? Ashamed? Disgusted? Frightened? How does everyone feel, on this little island which is so determined to punch above its weight?

Angry, frustrated, ignored, saddened.

 

[Sasaferrato]

They would have 3 or 4 seconds which is plenty of time to draw and fire one round.A 9mm round will drop you ,but, unless its a brain or a heart shot not an instant kill and medical services can save you.
MP5 is a bit old fashioned a 5.56mm rifle is preferred like the g36 now gives you more range and power without the over pentration.

Don't get shot by the RAMC, we know where the heart is.