Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[Frumious B.]

So the total domestic blowback from our adventures in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Yemen, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya etc etc etc is one dead yesterday, 52 dead and 700 injured in the 7/7 bombings, 5 injured at Glasgow airport in 2007...is that the lot? All in all I feel we've got off quite lightly. We should be feeling....pleased? Relieved? Smug? Victorious? Ashamed? Disgusted? Frightened? How does everyone feel, on this little island which is so determined to punch above its weight?

I forgot the stabbing of Stephen Timms MP, who's on R4 right now

 

[Frumious B.]

They would have 3 or 4 seconds which is plenty of time to draw and fire one round.A 9mm round will drop you ,but, unless its a brain or a heart shot not an instant kill and medical services can save you.
MP5 is a bit old fashioned a 5.56mm rifle is preferred like the g36 now gives you more range and power without the over pentration.

I would still give 'em a gold star for marksmanship - imagine the stress of a blood-covered man with a cleaver charging at you...and you've got to check that there are no civilians behind him before you pull the trigger.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Left Unity are being urged by the usual cranks to offer a statement, just gesture politics, its not even a proper entity yet!

That is the bunch of cowardly, brain dead wankers that hold sway over PCS.

 

[butchersapron]

That is the bunch of cowardly, brain dead wankers that hold sway over PCS.

No it is not.

 

[ddraig]

He was a Dad, 2 year old son.

always sad when they show pics of young kids and sometimes babies they've never seen of the 'brave soldier' who died as a 'hero' whilst 'defending his country' in some far away place on tv

consequence of being a part of the war machine and signing up

 

[ddraig]

That is the bunch of cowardly, brain dead wankers that hold sway over PCS.

what? anything to back that weird statement up?

 

[Streathamite]

People aren't that stupid, surely? What, take to the streets and demand any extreme Islamists tone it down a bit?

EDL members are, as has been noted, not known for rocket-scientist intelligence levels

 

[cesare]

EDL members are, as has been noted, not known for rocket-scientist intelligence levels

Yes, but they're not exactly at the zenith of their movement and are usually met with resistance from the local communities that they demonstrate in.

 

[chilango]

what? anything to back that weird statement up?

leftunity.org.uk = PCS people

leftunity.org = new lefty party

Hth

 

[dylanredefined]

I would still give 'em a gold star for marksmanship - imagine the stress of a blood-covered man with a cleaver charging at you...and you've got to check that there are no civilians behind him before you pull the trigger.

The training works its all muscle memory and built in reactions. Afterwards the stress will come even in a clear cut case like this.
It sounds like a cool job until you actually have to pull the trigger.

 

[butchersapron]

what? anything to back that weird statement up?

He's confused the internal PCS let unity group with a totally different one that has nothing to do with the PCS.

 

[Frances Lengel]

when? yesterday?
bound to get out and be used either way

So that makes it alright for you to be the first wanker to use it on this forum? Dickhead.

 

[dylanredefined]

Don't get shot by the RAMC, we know where the heart is.

Don't worry the QA's are also medics and they are not to be trusted with sharpened sticks.

 

[butchersapron]

I can think of a bunch of cowardly, brain dead wankers that hold sway over PCS though.

 

[butchersapron]

Pity you lot can't be trusted with firearms generally. Geneva convention means I can't stag on.

Is this literally all you have - i have shot a gun. It's obv made a lasting impression on you as it seems to be all you talk about.

 

[laptop]

So that makes it alright for you to be the first wanker to use it on this forum? Dickhead.

Eh? ddraig was making a thoughtful comment about the pressure on the family to permit it to be used - in, er 551 Google News results and counting. Dimwit.

 

[Giles]

Caught red handed!

Sorry, really bad taste I know but it's made me wonder if that saying started with this kind of thing - not people murdering and decapitating off duty squaddies on a busy highstreet but murderers being caught while they still have the victim's blood on their hands - it must have surely?

I always assumed that this was exactly what it meant. Fairly obvious, like "smoking gun".

Giles..

 

[ddraig]

So that makes it alright for you to be the first wanker to use it on this forum? Dickhead.

jog on shitstain

 

[where to]

BBC about to show one of killers at Al-M demo in 2007 apparently.

 

[ddraig]

oh well, you know, rahrah, carry on toodle pip
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22646999

General Sir David Richards told the BBC that he was "very confident that base security is as tight as it's ever been", and that it was now safe for military staff to wear their uniforms again, although "common sense" should be used.

not even pretending to be sad

 

[Frumious B.]

Joint statement issued by Stop the War and CND:

The attack in Woolwich yesterday was horrific. There can be no justification for a murderous attack on an individual soldier in the streets of London. It must have been awful too for the local people who witnessed it.

The Woolwich attack, carried out by two men now shot and wounded and under arrest in hospital, appears to represent a phenomenon that was pointed out nearly a decade ago by the security services in Britain: that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would lead to a growing threat of terrorism in Britain. Many of us have long predicted that these sorts of attacks would happen because of the war on terror.

The men claimed that the killing of the soldier was in response to the killing of Muslims by British soldiers in other countries. One said that the government did not care for people and should get the troops out.

The response from the government has been to declare this a major terrorist incident. We do not yet know whether they had wider connections or whether this was a one off incident.

But the government response fails to deal with the political causes underlying such attacks. There were no such cases in Britain before the start of the ‘war on terror’ in 2001, which led to the invasions and occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. The consequences of those wars have been devastating for the people of those countries and further afield. Up to a million died in Iraq and 4 million were made refugees. Tens of thousands have died in Afghanistan. Fighting still continues and in Iraq looks like descending into civil war in some parts of the country.

The balance sheet of the last decade and more would demonstrate that the war on terror has been a failure in its own terms. It has not prevented terrorism but caused it to spread.

It has also led to a rise in Islamophobia in Britain and elsewhere. The invasion and occupation of mainly Muslim countries abroad has to lead to the dehumanising of the victims of the wars. Racists like the EDL turned up in Woolwich to try to further foster Islamophobia.

We call on all everyone to resist any racist backlash as a result of this attack.

We also call on the government to recognise the damage done by these wars and to change its foreign policy accordingly.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I've been avoiding the news over the last 24 hours. It's just too depressing. To me ideological Islamism is as dangerous as fascism, but I do have a some appreciation of the attackers frustration. We've been at continuous war since 2001 and what do the British public think that British soldiers are doing abroad? Helping old grannies to cross the road and social work amongst the poor downtrodden Afghan masses? There seems to be a total disconnection between the public perception of the British army and what they are actually doing. Sorry, I haven't read any of this thread. Just posting a thought I've been musing on today.

 

[where to]

BBC about to show one of killers at Al-M demo in 2007 apparently.

Still from this now on Twitter.

Michael Abelojajo (sp) in white robes, white skull cap thing, black and white Palestine scarf, angry face.

They just broadcast it now.

 

[butchersapron]

This is two further arrests.

A 29-year-old man [C] was arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder under PACE.

A 29-year-old woman [D] was arrested at residential address in south London on suspicion of conspiracy to murder under PACE. They both remain in custody at a south London police station

 

[Streathamite]

A frank admission about all their dirty tricks, executions, collusion with loyalists, etc . Interesting.

nope, more like a stores clerk bigging himself up. It's unlikely anyone genuinel;y involved in all that shitwould bigmouth about it on CIF

 

[Casually Red]

How does everyone feel, on this little island which is so determined to punch above its weight?

are you sure its not punch those below your weight, usually while big brother USA holds them down first

 

[butchersapron]

nope, more like a stores clerk bigging himself up. It's unlikely anyone genuinel;y involved in all that shitwould bigmouth about it on CIF

And still have a mouth to talk.

 

[Casually Red]

I forgot the stabbing of Stephen Timms MP, who's on R4 right now

you could possibly put jill dando in there too

 

[Delroy Booth]

This is two further arrests.

got a feeling there'll be a lot more of that to come in the next few days. I bet there's a lot of his mates who'll be looking to get out the country as fast as possible right now.

 

[Treacle Toes]

6.33pm BST
The White House has issued a statement from President Obama descibing the attack as an "horrific act".

I condemn in the strongest terms the appalling attack against a British service member in Woolwich on May 22. The United States stands resolute with the United Kingdom, our ally and friend, against violent extremism and terror. There can be absolutely no justification for such acts, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victim, the police and security services responding to this horrific act and the communities they serve, and the British people. Our special relationship with the United Kingdom is especially important during times of trial, and I look forward to my trip to the United Kingdom to participate in the June G-8 Summit, hosted by Prime Minister Cameron, which will include discussions on the important global security challenges our countries face together.​

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/m...elopments-live#block-519e50a6e4b0371c681fa066