Woolwich soldier killed (was "Did cops just shoot 2 dead in woolwich?")

[butchersapron]

Our total lack of meaningful industrial action. They seem to think that two hour walk outs, and a quarterly strike day has the government quaking in its boots.

Yet you've connected two different groups. One a broad-left group within the PCS and one a political aggregation that has nothing to do with the PCS or the group you mistook them for.

 

[5t3IIa]

Why do the media wheel out Islamofascist Anjem Choudary every time something like this happens- he's just been on Channel 4 News and is due on Newsnight tonight. No sense of regret at what has happened no sense of any humanity in his spoutings of hate.

That's why then. 'Give him enough rope' scenario.

 

[butchersapron]

And I'm supposed to differentiate... how exactly?

By one being a group internal to the PCS and the other having nothing to do with the PCS.

 

[butchersapron]

That's why then. 'Give him enough rope' scenario.

What, us and the media together? Really? It's because he's a tout.

 

[where to]

Why do the media wheel out Islamofascist Anjem Choudary every time something like this happens- he's just been on Channel 4 News and is due on Newsnight tonight. No sense of regret at what has happened no sense of any humanity in his spoutings of hate.

Because he shares the accent of those that put him on.

 

[5t3IIa]

What, us and the media together? Really? It's because he's a tout.

I didn't read the post properly and now too late to edit

A tout? Like that undercover cop guy?

 

[sleaterkinney]

Longer quote from a clip

The only reason we have killed this man today is because Muslims are dying daily by British soldiers, and this British soldier is one, and it’s an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. By Allah, we swear by the Almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone. So what if we want to live by the sharia in Muslim lands. Why does that mean you must follow us and chase us and call us extremists and kill us? Rather, you are extreme.
You are the ones. When you talk of bombs, do you think it hits one person? Or rather your bomb wipes out a whole family. This is the reality. By Allah, if I saw your mother today with a buggy, I would help her up the stairs. This is my nature. But we are forced by … many many [sections] throughout the Koran that we must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
I apologise that women had to see this today but in our lands our women have to see the same. You people will never be safe. Remove your governments. They don't care about you. Do you think David Cameron is gonna get caught in the street when we start busting our guns? Do you think the politicians are gonna die? No, it's gonna be the average guy – like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so you can all live in peace. Leave our lands and you will live in peace. That’s all I have to say. Allah’s peace and blessings be upon you. Salaam alaikum

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't read the post properly and now too late to edit

A tout? Like that undercover cop guy?

Yeah.

 

[telbert]

Haven't seen reports of this but I'm sure that like me, you've seen (even well attended) guns "blow up".

Best one that I'm aware of was a bloke with a brand new Silver Pigeon who blew his back barrels and lock to fuck on his first shot. Turned out that he'd left the gun lying around and his kid got hold of it and tried to shoot a .410 through it. When that didn't work, rather than telling his dad there was a .410 shell dropped just beyond the chamber, I reckon the kid thought 'maybe no one will notice', drpped his shoulders and whistled .... "wasn't me".

Easy to blame the shooter for not checking his barrels, but he got paid-out with a face-full of Beretta's finest walnut.

Another one i heard involves the practice of putting a small coin(at the time it was a5p piece) down the barrel and pull the trigger to check the pins. Unfortunately there was a Gamebore Magnum in the chamber at the time.

 

[5t3IIa]

Yeah.

Wait, Anjem Choudary is a... wait, what?

 

[treelover]

Local fora reporting about twenty EDL types outside Sheffield City Hall, after a call for a demo at 7pm, I don't think this is a revival,

yet...

 

[butchersapron]

did they have an anti-muslim appearance?

 

[treelover]

Not sure I was walking home - they were sporting a number of flags (Rainbow Flagm and a Solidarity banner), so it was very difficult to tell, but they were singing by one of the fountains, at the other fountains were about 2 dozen people with hoodies 3 with the ST George Flag draped around their shoulders. Looking very menacing and peed off,

actually, it seems a bit more complex than I first posted, some sort of peace protest and counter one, confusing.

 

[thedockerslad]

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That reads as really confused rhetoric that says nothing to help ordinary people in any country.

 

[butchersapron]

That reads as really confused rhetoric that says nothing to help ordinary people in any country.

Odd that. I can see no reason why it might read that way.

 

[treelover]

Afaik, EDL have never had a visible presence here though I'm sure they have lots of supporters.

 

[Casually Red]

I think a lot of British people are very strange . The fucking gurkhas have been running about hacking soldiers up and cutting soldiers heads off for ages now and theres well supported campaigns to give them British citizenship and the like . Theyre British heroes who have a huge big fuck off hacker knife as an emblem .

If one of them hacked a jihadists head off thered be pats on the back all round, well done plucky little mountain warrior etc. But someone does it to a British soldier and its an unspeakable act of savagery, gruesome barbarism etc . Which it is,its disgusting, but it seems to be much less barbaric when the British army do it .

 

[butchersapron]

I knew it was 'the brits fault'

 

[thedockerslad]

Odd that I can see no reason why it might read that way.

.

 

[butchersapron]

So you've removed a . and posted one yourself. Star.

 

[Casually Red]

I knew it was 'the brits fault'

what was

 

[T & P]

Don't know if it's been mentioned already here. I ventured into The Sun's website today to see what kind of agenda they would try to push on the story. Sure enough, the opinion column ranted about our 'soft justice system' for letting out early some guy convicted of plotting to kill a soldier in 2007, saying "Let's hope it does not turn out that this move encouraged the killers to carry out this attack".

Yes, because those two cunts yesterday were clearly so concerned about the possibility of being caught by the police and sent to jail

 

[butchersapron]

what was

Everything generally. In this case the killing. There is a more cowardly version over here.

 

[Spymaster]

I think a lot of British people are very strange . The fucking gurkhas have been running about hacking soldiers up and cutting soldiers heads off for ages now and theres well supported campaigns to give them British citizenship and the like . Theyre British heroes who have a huge big fuck off hacker knife as an emblem .

eluooday man!

 

[thedockerslad]

So you've removed a . and posted one yourself. Star.

Let other people express themselves without running around acting like you have some kind of correct line. You don't. You are an embarrassment.

 

[Casually Red]

Everything generally. In this case the killing. There is a more cowardly version over here.

well no I dont blame them for you being a wanker for instance, you managed that without help from anyone. Im merely contrasting the great British publics attitude to one bunch of crazed head hackers to another bunch of crazed head hackers . And the issue of hacking soldiers head off in general ..which seems to be perfectly fine behaviour as long as its someone elses soldiers and not their own .

 

[butchersapron]

well no I dont blame them for you being a wanker for instance, you managed that without help from anyone. Im merely contrasting the great British publics attitude to one bunch of crazed head hackers to another bunch of crazed head hackers . And the issue of hacking soldiers head off in general ..which seems to be perfectly fine behaviour as long as its someone elses soldiers and not their own .

Which it is - creeping up on some enemy in the night/ chopping some blokes head off in the middle of a city. But i guess - all is war. Is that what you think? Would like a yes or no answer on that. As you put it out here for debate.

 

[T & P]

A while ago on a thread here about the Gurkhas someone said that their reglament knife has a small spike near the handle for the Gurkha to cut his finger with, because it is their philosophy that once the knife is pulled out, it must draw blood. So if the situation defuses and they do no longer need to use the knife on others, they prick their finger so blood is drawn.

I don't know if it is true or bollocks, but if it is true they don't strike me as a very rational or balanced lot.

 

[chilango]

And I'm supposed to differentiate... how exactly?

I don't care whether you do or not.

Two different groups, same name, very very similar web addresses.

I can differentiate between them easily enough.

Up to you if you can be bothered or not.

 

[Casually Red]

Which it is - creeping up on some enemy in the night/ chopping some blokes head off in the middle of a city. But i guess - all is war. Is that what you think? Would like a yes or no answer on that. As you put it out here for debate.

you might need to rephrase that a bit more clearly. Im more than happy to give you an answer once I know what it is your actually asking me. Im finding that a bit cryptic .