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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
timoxensis said:
eh? Sooo...people don't emigrate for various reasons, right? A BP worker from Glasgow gets promoted and is sent to Nigeria or the US...Or a person from Aberdeen lives in England because she had more opportunitis in her career choice as a youth in the 1970s...lol....OK, the latter isn't technically emigration but still the same overall issue. They have postal votes from overseas...and it doesn't mean they hate Scotland.
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So you're saying that someone who left Scotland 40 years ago should still get a vote in the referendum?
 
weepiper said:
why?
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It's their country. And when Scotland gets independence, they're entitled to automatic citizenship...i just don't see the difference between that and postal overseas votes...which many countries have. You seem to think all ex-pats don't give a shit about Scotland, this isn't true.
 
Sue said:
I'm Scottish, live in London and think it's absolutely fair enough that I'm not allowed to vote in the referendum given I don't live in Scotland. And that's definitely the general consenus among my non-Scotland living Scottish friends.
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Then we agree to disagree...
 
timoxensis said:
It's their country. And when Scotland gets independence, they're entitled to automatic citizenship...i just don't see the difference between that and postal overseas votes...which many countries have. You seem to think all ex-pats don't give a shit about Scotland, this isn't true.
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No I don't. I have several ex-pat friends. They love Scotland, but for whatever reasons decided to make their lives elsewhere. Anyway the person in your example wouldn't be entitled to a postal vote in a general election (you have to have been registered to vote in the UK in the last 15 years) so why should they be in a referendum.
 
timoxensis said:
You seem to think all ex-pats don't give a shit about Scotland, this isn't true.
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It's not about whether they give a shit or not. It's about whether someone who has made their life elsewhere (as they are entitled to do) should continue to vote on matters that affect those they left behind.

That you should have a say where you live and work is beyond dispute. However, that you used to live somewhere is hardly a good reason to be consulted on the running of things long after you've left. However much you'd like to be.
 
I live with three Scots, all of whom have views on independence, none of whom are desperate to vote. They live in England see - their choice
 
Did hear a while ago Iain Paisley Jnr (or one of his lot) going on about how terrible it was that the 'Ulster Scots' were being denied a vote in the referendum. :rolleyes:
 
Craig Murray comments on the 'Nobama' event on his website http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

by craig on June 8, 2014 in Uncategorized

I despair sometimes that society as a whole has lost all sense of how a democracy ought to operate. State abuse has become the norm.

I am astonished that there is not greater reaction to the BBC role in Obama’s statement against Scottish independence. It is now confirmed that not only did No. 10 ask Obama to make the statement, they set up the BBC to ask the question that prompted it.

For a state broadcaster, with a legal obligation to neutrality in the referendum campaign, actively to participate in a stunt plainly aimed to boost one side in the campaign is beyond disgraceful. There is obviously a realisation at the BBC that they have done something very wrong indeed – all of the BBC’s own coverage with unprecedented reticence omitted totally the fact that it was the BBC that asked the question.

This ought to be an absolutely huge scandal which leads to resignations at the BBC. Yes, it is not unprecedented for officials to ask a journalist to ask a helpful question. The Tories might well ask the Sun or Telegraph to ask them something. But it is a completely different thing when it is a state broadcaster legally obliged to neutrality and part of a referendum or election campaign...
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"I am astonished that there is not greater reaction to the BBC role".

I'm astonished that people are astonished. Were there reaction, where would it be aired? The BBC? The other media who form part of the civil society that shores up the British state and all its vested interests?

The Yes movement is full of people who seem to take the liberal tack, when media propagandises, of looking for individual mendacity, individual complicity, individual dissimulation, but that is to suppose there is no systemic role in what's going on; that we need only weed out the bad apples.

They need to look for a systemic analysis. There's enough to choose from. Chomsky and Herman is my favourite (it's direct, incisive, non-obscurantist), but there's also Stuart Hall's encoding/decoding model, for example. (I'm not a huge Hall fan now, although he did open up a lot of ideas to me many years ago).

http://www.chomsky.info/onchomsky/199607--.htm

http://www.chomsky.info/onchomsky/2002----.htm



(I looked for Hall's essay "The rediscovery of "ideology": return of the repressed in media studies", but couldn't find it online).
 
watching this from afar, I see that Jacob Rees Mogg was out in Scotland last week on the conservative unionist nicer together* campaign.

:hmm: :facepalm: :D

Another few percentage points for the 'yes' campaign, i expect. As I think I've said before, I'd vote for independence from this shower of twunts

* - can't claim credit for this - someone used this as a tagline for a while
 
But the most dramatic results in the new poll came when we asked how Scots would vote if they were sure Cameron would remain PM.

Then, the figures change to 44 per cent Yes and 38 per cent No – giving a comfortable referendum victory to the nationalists, with a result of 54 per cent Yes and 46 per cent No.

The change is caused mostly by Labour supporters changing their referendum vote.
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/bombshell-daily-record-poll-shows-3678091

Sample size 1004, btw.
 
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