Will you vote for independence?

[ska invita]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/08/david-cameron-not-resign-scotland-votes-independence


so it will be a vote of confidence with West Lothian question in full effect then

in that they say Daily Mail broke the story - in fact it was Ian Bone back in April
http://ianbone.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/cameron-will-resign-if-scots-vote-yes-and-boris-pm-by-xmas/

 

[gosub]

I first read it on Ben Brogan's telegraph blog 14/4/14, in fact looking at that jpeg so did Ian Bone

 

[Frankie Jack]

If the vote is YES in September I won't give a fuck what he does. I'll be too busy doing an eightsome reel with myself or anyone I happen to meet.

 

[weepiper]

Chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson MP says

once the “conflict” of the independence campaign is over “all that will be required is mopping up and bayonetting of the wounded.”

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140507/189...liament-Repeats-Call-To-Bayonet-Scottish.html

What a funny turn of speech to choose. Oh I'm not literally calling for the bayonetting of independence supporters, hoho.

 

[gosub]

Chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson MP says


http://en.ria.ru/world/20140507/189...liament-Repeats-Call-To-Bayonet-Scottish.html

What a funny turn of speech to choose. Oh I'm not literally calling for the bayonetting of independence supporters, hoho.

he just wants a ride in a landrover

 

[Frankie Jack]

Chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson MP says


http://en.ria.ru/world/20140507/189...liament-Repeats-Call-To-Bayonet-Scottish.html

What a funny turn of speech to choose. Oh I'm not literally calling for the bayonetting of independence supporters, hoho.

Chairchoob Davidson IS a funny phrase.

 

[danny la rouge]

I am, however, literally calling for Davidson to be bayoneted

 

[andysays]

Chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson MP says

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140507/189...liament-Repeats-Call-To-Bayonet-Scottish.html

What a funny turn of speech to choose. Oh I'm not literally calling for the bayonetting of independence supporters, hoho.

Maybe he's referring to this

The morning following the Battle of Culloden, Cumberland issued a written order reminding his men that "the public orders of the rebels yesterday was to give us no quarter"...

...Cumberland's order was not carried out for two days, after which contemporary accounts report then that for the next two days the moor was searched and all those wounded were put to death

 

[weepiper]

The reference wasn't lost on me I have to say. Not sure it's a votewinner.

 

[geminisnake]

http://michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/play-this-everywhere/

Everyone should watch this. Better together my arse!

 

[DexterTCN]

http://michaelgreenwell.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/play-this-everywhere/

Everyone should watch this. Better together my arse!

I doubt it's a uniquely Scottish situation but it doesn't retract from our argument. It enhances it.

 

[butchersapron]

Progressive: Big Swing to Yes but Yes Still Far Behind!

So we should not be surprised that in its third outing, after a gap of nearly six months, the company (for the Sunday Mail) should have once again produced a relatively low Yes vote. It puts Yes on 34%, twenty points behind No on 54%. Once the Don’t Knows are excluded this represents a Yes vote of 39% – the lowest in any poll since the end of February.

Yet at the same time, this also means that the poll shows a six point swing to Yes compared with last November. Since then, of course, every other pollster has recorded a narrowing of the No lead. To that extent today’s poll is simply further evidence of that narrowing.

Yet at the same time we are reminded of the persistent and in some cases large differences in the estimates produced by different pollsters, differences that can make it seem as though the polls are jumping up and down even when each individual company is showing little change. Indeed, the publication today of a poll from a ‘low Yes’ company is enough to produce a one point drop in the Yes vote in our Poll of Polls to 44%, confirming our warning that the previous 45% figure, based as it was on mostly on polls from ‘high Yes’ companies, might not be sustained.

and another warning for YES:

Otherwise today’s poll records some of the familiar strengths and weaknesses of the two sides. On the one hand, the Yes side struggles to win votes if it fails to convince people that independence would be of economic benefit – as many as 50% told Progressive that Scotland would be worse off under independence, while only 31% reckoned they would be better off. On the other hand, faith in the No side is relatively thin. Even a sample of predominantly No voters, such as is found in this poll, are still less inclined to trust Alistair Darling (25% do so) than they are Nicola Sturgeon (28%). However, it seems that, at the moment at least, when it comes to deciding which way to vote for most voters economics still trumps personality.

 

[geminisnake]

I doubt it's a uniquely Scottish situation but it doesn't retract from our argument. It enhances it.

No, you're right, it's NOT unique to us But we DO have a chance to do something about it.

 

[weepiper]

Local 'Better Together' co-ordinator switches to 'Yes'

My decision to vote and campaign for a Yes vote came as I was sitting in a room in a large house discussing Better Together strategy with representatives from parties I have nothing in common with, which represent privilege, greed and the status quo – notions completely at odds with my Labour background.

I am deeply passionate about fairness and equality and have been saddened by the Tories’ attempt to dismantle our welfare state by attacking the most vulnerable in society. I have come to believe that independence is the only vehicle available for change, hope and to rid Scotland of neoliberal politics.
​

 

[DotCommunist]

fist bump regardless, but aren't the SNP plugged into the same game?* Do it with lube but its still the rapine of capital?

apols if I have this wrong and SNP are actually parliamentary socialists with a left reformist program just waiting to be unleashed from the shackles of westminster.


* I realise that the SNP are not the be all and end all of the independence debate, but they will be managing the transition no?

 

[weepiper]

fist bump regardless, but aren't the SNP plugged into the same game?* Do it with lube but its still the rapine of capital?

apols if I have this wrong and SNP are actually parliamentary socialists with a left reformist program just waiting to be unleashed from the shackles of westminster.


* I realise that the SNP are not the be all and end all of the independence debate, but they will be managing the transition no?

They're distinctly more socialist than the current incarnation of the Labour Party anyway. Not that that's saying all that much but they have brought in things like free prescriptions, abolition of tuition fees etc.

And a vote for 'Yes' really isn't a vote for the SNP despite what the media likes to push. Most people I know who're planning to vote Yes are disillusioned Labour types not Nats.

 

[weepiper]

Aaaaand in the red, white and blue corner we have:

if you needed any more encouragement to vote Yes

 

[butchersapron]

Local 'Better Together' co-ordinator switches to 'Yes'

He sounds like articul8 after a few. He's got no chance of achieving those aims in an independent scotland either. He may get a better job related to previous political work though.

 

[geminisnake]

Aaaaand in the red, white and blue corner we have:

if you needed any more encouragement to vote Yes

Do you really think the council will say aye ok?

 

[danny la rouge]

Do you really think the council will say aye ok?

Why not? There's Orange Walks every year.

 

[weepiper]

Why not? There's Orange Walks every year.

They have a massive one like that on the Meadows every summer.

 

[DotCommunist]

Why not? There's Orange Walks every year.

orange marches are not covered by the post-cable street leg but there is every chance anyone else marching in a political uniform would be bang to rights

 

[geminisnake]

They have a massive one like that on the Meadows every summer.

I didn't know that I really thought this pish was only in the west.

 

[weepiper]

I didn't know that I really thought this pish was only in the west.

Nope. It's worse in Glasgow and West Lothian but we get them here too. There's a Lodge in Haddington where I grew up which is about as east as it gets really in Central Belt terms

 

[weepiper]

Re the 'buried' Ipsos Mori poll recently

If that's true I hope Kelly Brown used a false name

 

[butchersapron]

How can we check it's veracity?

 

[weepiper]

How can we check it's veracity?

I got it from here, apparently Ipsos Mori replied to a similar question by him so watch this space

 

[butchersapron]

I got it from here, apparently Ipsos Mori replied to a similar question by him so watch this space

All people in the professional polling group are supposed to release the data. Not to do so is a big no no. I'm not buying this story. I heard it during AV over and over.

 

[danny la rouge]

I didn't know that I really thought this pish was only in the west.

Nope. They have them in Stirling, too.

 

[steeplejack]

They even had one in Perth three-four years ago!! Bigots from all over Scotland converged on the place on one surreal Saturday.

Anyway, bring it on, a bigot-fest in Edinburgh shortly before the referendum can only help the Yes vote on the day itself.