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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
Frankie, that is illegal under ancient Scots law. Water has to be free, and I'm sure enough people know more about it than me and it would be challenged.
 
Celtic's Green Brigade pinning their colours to the mast at the game today (although they've always been pro-independence, I think this is the first time they've made it overt recently)

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butchersapron said:
And there's larger questions about the bbc cbi membership beyond this referendum.
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Oh, absolutely.

eg:

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI while it reported on issues the CBI has campaigned or lobbied on?

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI when the BBC has reported on issue of occupational pensions? Or when the CBI has been quoted by the BBC on the issue of occupational pensions?

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI when the BBC has reported on or the CBI has been quoted by the BBC on taxation? On executive pay? On public services? On immigration policy? On employment law? On the economy? On any of the issues that the CBI campaigns or lobbies on?

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI during any industrial dispute in which it has sought quotes from CBI figures?

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI during the miners’ strike?

  • Was the BBC a member of the CBI on 18th June 1984, when the BBC was editing and compiling footage for a report on the events at Orgreave?
 
And as the Newsnet Scotland article says: "This morning on Good Morning Scotland they reported on a press release claiming that the coming months would be the best for the UK economy. [...] the organisation who issued the press release [...] was the CBI". GMS did not say "of which we are a member".
 
I suppose it shouldn't really come as a suprise that the nominally independent state broadcaster is a paid up member of a business lobbying group. Am suprised by the audacity though. No hands held up saying 'this affiliation is at odds with our mandate and shouldn't have been entered into' at all. They don't give a flying fuck.
 
I know what you mean... if the BBC are going to be biased presumably they could be far more subtle about it. If instead, they excuse their actions (maybe just to themselves) on the grounds of naivety, why keep the thing going (i.e., keep giving the CBI all this coverage)?

I have now come to the conclusion that the BBC is run and operated by people who are genuinely very, very stupid. I don't mean that in a way cutesy kind of way or in a pissed-off ranty kind of way. I mean that in all seriousness. The kind of people you would be a little bit wary of leaving in your kitchen for too long unsupervised.
 
That's quite charitable of you. :D I suppose there is some stupidity, but I think there's a lot of smug arrogance and assuming that no-one dare argue with the dear old Beeb. They have certainly handled the CBI thing very very badly. They assumed that a grudgingly offered suspension for a short time would be enough, but it cannot be. Even if the BBC suddenly became all objective and impartial about the referendum (while pigs fly merrily above a field of dancing unicorns), that's still no good, because of the MANY other issues on which the BBC is wont to give us the view as though it were an independent opinion.

So there are serious questions about past issues, as danny la rouge pointed out above, and questions about any similar issues now and in the future.

(I'm a bit cheesed off that the CBI says it doesn't do refunds, so the bastards won't be losing financially over this. Still, they've had a shitload of terrible publicity and have been shown up to be horribly muddled or mendacious or both, so I'm pleased about that.) :)

It would be wonderful if the CBI mess were to have the effect of forcing the BBC to make some attempt to be unbiased.
 
When discussing the media, especially news media, it's worth remembering that it's a systemic critique that we need. Relying on criticising individual stupidity or mendacity really doesn't fit the bill. That can't explain what's going on.

Chomsky & Herman's Manufacturing Consent (1988) is still the best study to start with (although others have covered similar ground). Try looking at Chomsky's article here: The Propaganda Model Revisited. (He is concerned with the US media, but the principles would apply to the UK, so long as you are aware of the specific distinctions).
 
Livingston, West Lothian. I don't recall getting anything at all from Better Together but this week I got a UKIP leaflet through the door. :confused:
 
Send it back, wrapped round a brick, to their free post address :) With words of you choice on it. I chose Arsehole for Nigel and Ed, Spineless Twat for Clegg and Prick for Camoron :)
 
Yeah, we got a leaflet from the Kippers too. More amusingly, my other half got post from the LIb Dems addressed to her personally. Has led to no end of piss taking.
 
It's not really being discussed on the mainstream media who were so happy to push this new "grassroots" thing, though. Shit, don't journalists EVER investigate anything, even just to the extent of a tiny big of Googling?
 
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