Will you vote for independence?

[butchersapron]

Umm.. they were forced to. According to the article the three organisations must be apolitical. So there's no reflection or impact on either side of the debate.

That's exactly where the import lies for gods sake - in the organisation (the CBI that is, not the membership groups who left) feeling pressured into doing something they know would case a split in the group.

 

[Frankie Jack]

So you're quite happy for the board of a large influential group comprising a lot of differing members to make a decision regardless of what those members want or or need as far as remaining neutral are you Quartz ?

Where the hell is that ignore tab again?

 

[Frankie Jack]

I've a friend who owns a fairly large marina in this area and he is a CBI member and quite angry about this.

 

[Quartz]

So you're quite happy for the board of a large influential group comprising a lot of differing members to make a decision regardless of what those members want or or need as far as remaining neutral are you Quartz ?

I wasn't addressing that part of the article.

Where the hell is that ignore tab again?

Feel free.

 

[danny la rouge]

Umm.. they were forced to. According to the article the three organisations must be apolitical. So there's no reflection or impact on either side of the debate.

What were they doing in the CBI , then? It's always been highly political.

 

[Quartz]

What were they doing in the CBI , then?

You'll have to ask them.

 

[DairyQueen]

This is getting silly. Just type "CBI" into google Quartz

The Confederation of British Industry is one of the UK's leading independent employers' organisation.

The members that have left include two large companies, and others are criticising it.

Electrical contractors union Select, which represents 1,250 companies with 18,500 employees, has also demanded the CBI reviews its decision.

The reason this will cause some disquiet in England is not because of the Scottish independence issue but the plethora of other politically sensitive issues that CBI takes positions on. If politicians are lobbying the lobbyists and not the other way around, what is the point of them paying a large fee for representation?

 

[Belushi]

I'm in the perverse position of hoping for a No vote in the referendum, but would I think vote Yes if I lived in Scotland

Update on my position. I still hope you all vote no from a purely selfish position; but given the shiteness of the yes campaign I'd 110% vote yes if I lived in Scotland. You should all go for it, take your destiny in to your own hands and hopefully make a better job of things than the United Kingdom is.

 

[DotCommunist]

If you have to consider which way the CBI lean politically then you are a moron. They're pro tory. And like the tories they are unionists with a proportion of dissidents who think business will do fine regardless so lets be scot magnates roar, I've got a massive nob.

These are the people who calculate how much a bank holiday loses the UK PLC (urgh) in money. And they do this because bank holidays force them to spend time with children they barely know, a wife they've grown to despise and just enough non-business time to make them consider what a hollow shell of an idea they have chosen to fellate

 

[Frankie Jack]

And calculate the horrific cost in green fees/yacht length a raise in the minimum wage would cost them.

 

[equationgirl]

If you have to consider which way the CBI lean politically then you are a moron. They're pro tory. And like the tories they are unionists with a proportion of dissidents who think business will do fine regardless so lets be scot magnates roar, I've got a massive nob.

These are the people who calculate how much a bank holiday loses the UK PLC (urgh) in money. And they do this because bank holidays force them to spend time with children they barely know, a wife they've grown to despise and just enough non-business time to make them consider what a hollow shell of an idea they have chosen to fellate

Please could you not use the word moron? Thanks.

 

[Frankie Jack]

More CBI News.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...s-to-resign-as-no-vote-row-escalates.24010811

THE CBI faces the prospect of further resignations from businesses and public bodies as the row over its decision to formally register as a No supporter in the independence referendum continues to escalate.


Glasgow Caledonian University's executive board is due to consider the CBI's position when it meets tomorrow. In a statement issued yesterday the university said it remained committed to its neutral stance ahead of September's vote.

Two Scottish Government agencies, Scottish Enterprise and VisitScotland, as well as broadcaster STV, the Balhousie Care Group and energy company Aquamarine Power have all quit the CBI in recent days.

The Scottish Government said it was now inappropriate for public agencies to remain part of the leading business organisation and called on them to resign with immediate effect.

On Friday it emerged CBI Scotland had registered with the Electoral Commission as a No supporter. The move is necessary for those planning to spend more than £10,000 on campaigns during the referendum period, but also allows access to the electoral register and for representatives to attend polling stations and vote counts.

Critics say the CBI's stance does not represent the views of many of its members and it failed to consult them before it made the decision. However, a CBI spokesman said Scotland and the rest of the UK were "stronger together as part of the Union" and its decision did reflect the "vast majority" of members.

In a statement, Glasgow Caledonian University said it would continue to maintain its neutral stance, adding: "GCU notes the CBI's position which will be considered by the university's executive board on Tuesday."

Tony Banks, chairman of the Balhousie Care Group and leader of the pro-independence group Business for Scotland, wrote to the CBI yesterday giving his firm's formal resignation. In the letter he said: "This is not the action of an organisation in touch with the interests of its membership."

 

[DotCommunist]

Please could you not use the word moron? Thanks.

I shall endeavor to replace it with 'slackwit' in future.

 

[8ball]

Could people also refrain from using words with only two letters and words where 'f' sounds like a 'v'?

Just for today, though.

 

[equationgirl]

University of Edinburgh and University of Glasgow have also left the CBI. Still think this isn't important Quartz?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27101266

 

[gosub]

Does make me reassess CBI, as we are not really talking industry in quite a few of these cases. And does call into question how they communicate with their members. Not down playing it, yet more half cocked politicing

 

[Quartz]

University of Edinburgh and University of Glasgow have also left the CBI. Still think this isn't important Quartz?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27101266

Try actually reading the article rather than just the headline:

The university said it had to resign its membership in order to "maintain impartiality".

As before, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

 

[DotCommunist]

Does make me reassess CBI, as we are not really talking industry in quite a few of these cases. And does call into question how they communicate with their members. Not down playing it, yet more half cocked politicing

I did wonder how much of the furore comes from giving a shit about business interests in the event of a yes vote or simply being proper hacked off and immediately contrary for having been cut out of the orgs decision making process.

 

[butchersapron]

Try actually reading the article rather than just the headline:



As before, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

Any chance of you explaining why you think them deciding they have to resign is meaningless or tells us nothing whatsoever? I take it as given that you're going to refuse to address the actions of the cbi so maybe it's worth pressing you on this aspect of it.

 

[gosub]

Try actually reading the article rather than just the headline:



As before, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

Its not nothing, for a start a Uni is closer to industry than visit Scotland for example, and whatever clout the CBI could have brought to bare is gone, replaced by "how was this decision reached". That the organinsations are taking tax payer money and thus have to find ways to studiously sit on the fence I don't think anybody misunderstands.

 

[equationgirl]

Try actually reading the article rather than just the headline:

As before, you're trying to make something out of nothing.

Are you actually trying to argue that 'leaving the CBI' is not the same as 'resigning their membership of the CBI'? Perhaps you'd like to explain how else organisations could leave the CBI.

 

[Quartz]

Perhaps you'd like to explain...

No, you're making the argument that it's meaningful; I'm pointing out that it's meaningless. Step back and look at it dispassionately.

 

[gosub]

What is meaningless is a position taken claimed to made on behalf of British Industry, when there appears to have been no consultation with British Industry prior to it being made.

 

[equationgirl]

No, you're making the argument that it's meaningful; I'm pointing out that it's meaningless. Step back and look at it dispassionately.

Why don't you give the patronising a rest?

 

[DairyQueen]

"You're wrong, I don't need to explain myself". Sums up the no campaign.

 

[weltweit]

"You're wrong, I don't need to explain myself". Sums up the no campaign.

Am I right in thinking the no campaign have been pretty silent thus far.
I certainly haven't heard of much activity.
Not that I would have.

 

[danny la rouge]

Am I right in thinking the no campaign have been pretty silent thus far.

No, you wouldn't be right. The No campaign has dominated the headlines and the agenda of the media. Their scare stories have been everywhere (in all their ludicrous glory: Scotland will drive on the other side of the road, won't be able to watch Dr Who, and the "forces of darkness" support independence, to select just a few).

On the other hand, it has no grassroots, and is silent on the ground in real communities.

 

[equationgirl]

On the other hand, it has no grassroots, and is silent on the ground in real communities.

This is very true. There is really nothing at grassroots level.

 

[weepiper]

One of my colleagues at work came through and said he'd just been shouted at by a Canadian customer who'd asked him which way he was going to vote in the referendum because he'd said No. I disagree with him on just about every level politically but that's a bit rich I think.

 

[DotCommunist]

and when will you free qubec from her bondage! eh?