Will you vote for independence?

[JTG]

I feel Scotland and England have been drifting apart for at least 40 years, it's hardly a mere decade.

 

[danny la rouge]

This morning on Andrew Neil's programme, Polly Toynbee said: "Even if Scotland votes No, you couldn't now have a Scot as a leader of a UK party or holding one of the offices of state."

 

[JTG]

This morning on Andrew Neil's programme, Polly Toynbee said: "Even if Scotland votes No, you couldn't now have a Scot as a leader of a UK party or holding one of the offices of state."

That in itself shows how the Union is dying

 

[Quartz]

This morning on Andrew Neil's programme, Polly Toynbee said: "Even if Scotland votes No, you couldn't now have a Scot as a leader of a UK party or holding one of the offices of state."

You mean, like David Cameron?

 

[Combustible]

That in itself shows how the Union is dying

Doesn't it just show how much rubbish Polly Toynbee talks. If Scotland votes No and Labour win the next election there is no reason to think Douglas Alexander will not become foreign secretary.

 

[redsquirrel]

Doesn't it just show how much rubbish Polly Toynbee talks.

Precisely, I mean it's not like we have to go back a long way to find a Scottish PM.

 

[Quartz]

Precisely, I mean it's not like we have to go back a long way to find a Scottish PM.

IPOF Parliament has been controlled by Scots since 1997 and the UK since 1952.

 

[butchersapron]

What on earth did that second point above mean? The one about 1952.

 

[danny la rouge]

You mean, like David Cameron?

He has a Scottish surname, and is of Scottish lineage. But I don't think he regards himself as Scottish. He was neither born here nor lives here. I suggest one or other of those is usually required (not necessarily both). You'd certainly need to think of yourself as Scottish, which he doesn't.

 

[danny la rouge]

Precisely, I mean it's not like we have to go back a long way to find a Scottish PM.

She means as a result of the independence referendum, even if we vote No, the English electorate wouldn't stand for it again.

 

[danny la rouge]

Here's the clip:

 

[danny la rouge]

It should also be pointed out that however David Cameron defines his national identity, he isn't an MP for a Scottish constituency.

 

[Fedayn]

Right now I'm thinking that Salmond's anti-English rhetoric and actions bode ill for democracy in an independent future. Once Scotland's separated, he'll turn his ire elsewhere. It makes me think that Salmond wants to become a dictator.

Jesus fucking christ. I'm no fan of Salmond but to argue he's some kind of wannabe dictator is frankly sectioning material.

 

[DotCommunist]

tonybee gets to talk and be taken seriously because why

 

[weltweit]

Here's the clip:

Yes, I think Neil does have a hairpiece
Couldn't concentrate on what they were saying because of it!!

 

[butchersapron]

Scottish Opinion Monitor: No lead in referendum campaign narrows to 12%

EDINBURGH – 16th April 2014 – Scottish opinion on independence shows little change in the latest in the series of monthly polls by TNS. But the gap between the Yes and No votes continues to narrow and three quarters of Scottish adults now say they are certain to vote in the September 18th referendum.

The poll of 988 adults aged over 16 in Scotland found that 41% intend to vote No and 29% say they will vote Yes, with 30% undecided. This compares with a 42% No vote and a 28% Yes vote in the previous poll a month ago

 

[butchersapron]

Some interesting commentary on that poll (and others) here.

 

[Quartz]

Jesus fucking christ. I'm no fan of Salmond but to argue he's some kind of wannabe dictator is frankly sectioning material.

If I were arguing you'd have a point, but as I was making an observation, you don't.

 

[weepiper]

results from tonight's Radical Independence mass canvas in Castlemilk, Glasgow:

 

[DotCommunist]

theres still so many undecideds! decide ya bastids.

 

[weltweit]

theres still so many undecideds! decide ya bastids.

Isn't till September .... they have time ... we can expect tension to rise

 

[JTG]

This is rubbish isn't it?

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eferendum-woefully-unprepared-yes-vote-impact

Especially the bit about the Yes tactic being to monster the Tory whenever they open their gobs. Hardly a Yes tactic that Tories aren't well liked in Scotland

 

[geminisnake]

Can you c&p JTG please? I won't click most tabloid links.

 

[danny la rouge]

Can you c&p JTG please? I won't click most tabloid links.

The Guardian isn't a tabloid, it's a Berliner.

 

[DairyQueen]

This is rubbish isn't it?

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eferendum-woefully-unprepared-yes-vote-impact

Especially the bit about the Yes tactic being to monster the Tory whenever they open their gobs. Hardly a Yes tactic that Tories aren't well liked in Scotland

Who cares what Martin Kettle thinks? He is basically rehashing the no campaign's line in Guardian-speak. If he was genuinely interested in Scotland we would have heard of him before the referendum.

 

[geminisnake]

The Guardian isn't a tabloid, it's a Berliner.

It is a tabloid imo A Berliner is someone from Berlin or is it a doughnut?

 

[DairyQueen]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/04/16/ethnic-cleanse/

Anyone know what kicked this off?

 

[weepiper]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/04/16/ethnic-cleanse/

Anyone know what kicked this off?

Bissett's certainly been copping it in the press a bit recently.

 

[geminisnake]

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/04/16/ethnic-cleanse/

Anyone know what kicked this off?

The No side are panicking for some reason, even though the polls still show them in the lead. When people are scared they often attack, without provocation, reason or thought. This is going to get worse before it gets better imo. Bissett is pro Indy and vocal about it, therefore in the No side's eyes fair game.

I'm wondering just how low the bottom of this barrel can go

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm wondering just how low the bottom of this barrel can go

Right through the rotten wood and into the soil.