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Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%
  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%
  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%

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    175
BSkyB (one of Scotland's largest private sector employers) have also sent round an internal memo... which says 'meh... it's up to you, we're not going anywhere regardless of the outcome'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26871555

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Part of me hates that Sky is being reasonable about this
 
The New RIC slogan... are they keeping that? I don't think it works. I know what they're trying to say, but...

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...are you sure?
 
The New RIC slogan... are they keeping that? I don't think it works. I know what they're trying to say, but...

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...are you sure?
I've seen that about quite a bit. It's catchy and to the point and it seems to be catching people's imagination. I think it's hard to get the exact nuances what you're about into a slogan of less than ten words, really.
 
I've seen that about quite a bit. It's catchy and to the point and it seems to be catching people's imagination. I think it's hard to get the exact nuances what you're about into a slogan of less than ten words, really.
I hope people get it. Because it seems to me to say "Scotland will be poor".
 
There's a new Panelbase Wings Over Scotland commissioned poll on the front page of the Times today saying it has the split at 47% Yes/53% No. And an article in the Herald about a poll they've been carrying out that had 15,000 respondents and came back 63% Yes :eek: I can't read the whole article but usual caveats about online polls and accuracy apply
 
Oh dear.

'Nationalist campaigners are bringing shame Scotland by the way in which they "monster" supporters of the United Kingdom, the former chancellor Alistair Darling has said.
As a new poll showed a growth in suport for independence, the head of the Better Together campaign accused nationalists of being "consistently negative" about supporters of the UK.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sts-monstering-uk-supporters-alistair-darling

ETA Just been reading the comments. Someone came out with this re Barrhead Travel. :eek::D

'you know suppressing dissenting voices is what hitler did, right? its not good you know'

'so he's not allowed to tell his staff that a yes vote might be bad for business?
do you know how this makes you sound? it is truely terrifying how some do not question what the SNP say or their totally unrealistic proposition. if the business was making gas chambers for the SNP to cull englanders living in scotland, could he speak out then?'
 
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I can only see the first bit of this Herald article but it's still more good news for the Yes vote.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...furore-over-mystery-of-missing-memos.23890582

'The Treasury was last night at the centre of a growing row over political bias, after admitting it had no record of when its most senior civil servant first advised the Chancellor against a currency union with an independent Scotland.'
 
ETA Just been reading the comments. Someone came out with this re Barrhead Trave

This problem in Scotland was well known before the referendum. Both the Conservative and Labour Party have a core of really staunch unionists. Complete idiots, and many bigots. I remember reading somewhere that the Tories down south were actually really worried that the types of people joining the conservative party in Scotland were too fanatical even for them. The problems with the Scottish Labour Party extend well beyond just a few fanatics, and don't even need mentioning.
 
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I can only see the first bit of this Herald article but it's still more good news for the Yes vote.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...furore-over-mystery-of-missing-memos.23890582

'The Treasury was last night at the centre of a growing row over political bias, after admitting it had no record of when its most senior civil servant first advised the Chancellor against a currency union with an independent Scotland.'


Here is the whole article...
Currency furore over mystery of missing memos
No paper trail means Treasury's position engineered, say SNP

Sunday 6 April 2014
THE Treasury was last night at the centre of a growing row over political bias, after admitting it had no record of when its most senior civil servant first advised the Chancellor against a currency union with an independent Scotland.

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Memo from Sir Nicholas was seized on by the Unionist lobby
The inability of permanent secretary Sir Nicholas Macpherson to give a precise date is fuelling claims that Westminster's bombshell rejection of a currency union was cooked up to help the No campaign in the referendum.

The SNP said it was extraordinary that such a momentous decision had left no paper trail, and said it suggested the Treasury advice was little more than a dodgy campaign tactic.

In a formal memo dated February 11, Macpherson strongly advised George Osborne against a deal to share the pound on the basis that it would mirror the eurozone and prove unstable.

The confidential advice would normally have been kept secret for 30 years, but in a move Osborne himself described as "exceptional", it was made public just 48 hours later to help back up the Chancellor's rejection of a currency union on February 13.

Such high-level advice would typically crystallise after weeks or months of detailed discussion and research by Whitehall officials.

However, the Macpherson memo, which was seen as a huge boon to the No campaign, was later trashed by a leading independent economist as deeply flawed and based on loose assumptions.

Now, in response to a Freedom of Information request, the Treasury says it has no record of when Macpherson first warned Osborne against a currency union before the February 11 memo, raising further questions about its credibility.

It was reported last week that Westminster's refusal to let Scotland share the pound was taken on the advice of former Labour chancellor Alistair Darling, the chairman of the pro-Union Better Together campaign.

Until Osborne ruled out a deal on February 13, the official Treasury position was that such an arrangement was very unlikely.

Osborne's harder line, repeated by his Labour and LibDem counterparts, was seen as a body blow to the Yes campaign and to Alex Salmond, who had promised a formal deal after a Yes vote. The First Minister claimed the Unionist parties were bluffing, but all three insisted a currency union was impossible.

However, a newspaper report quoted an unnamed Coalition minister saying a formal currency union was "of course" possible, perhaps in return for the UK keeping Trident at Faslane. "Everything would change in the negotiations if there were a Yes vote," the minister reportedly said.

The same story contained the explosive claim that Darling and Downing Street's Scotland adviser, Andrew Dunlop, had shaped the Treasury hardline to boost Better Together's fortunes.

The Treasury confirmed in 2012 that Macpherson and Darling "meet socially from time to time".

UK ministers have repeatedly cited the three-page Macpherson memo as proof they are not bluffing over the currency, saying they could not go against such strong Treasury guidance.

But asked when Macpherson first warned against currency union before February 11, either in writing or verbally, the Treasury didn't know.

It said: "There is no record of the date when Sir Nicholas Macpherson, Permanent Secretary to the Treasury, first set out his advice to the Chancellor or other Treasury ministers regarding the currency union between an independent Scotland and the rest of the UK."

It went on: "To be helpful [we] can advise that the Permanent Secretary has for some time held the views expressed in his written advice of the 11 February.

"He recalls having expressed it verbally on several occasions prior to the formal written advice which was subsequently published."

Macpherson's memo was later dissected by Professor Leslie Young, of Cheung Kong School of Business in Beijing, who said it was flawed by loose analysis and inconsistent assumptions.

The SNP's Kenny Gibson said: "Westminster's currency bluff has completely crumbled. This FoI suggests the Treasury position was engineered externally, as there is no paper trail of how or when it was arrived at.

"Given the lack of documentation around Sir Nick's position, it is impossible to claim that ruling out sharing the pound was ever anything more than an ill-advised campaign tactic cooked up by Alistair Darling, as has been reported.

"Nothing the No campaign says on currency has a shred of credibility any more."

A Treasury spokesman dismissed the SNP's accusations as complete nonsense.

He said: "The Permanent Secretary and the Chancellor have a very close working relationship, as you would expect, and they talk about a range of issues all the time.

"This is just a distraction from the main issue, which is what currency would an independent Scotland use.

"That's what the Scottish Government should be spending their time and energies on, not trying to rake up a decision that has already been made."
 
It was obviously bullshit when they first announced it, basically the Yes campaign just sits back and let's these idiots destroy themselves.

Cheers, DairyQueen
 
Oh dear.

'Nationalist campaigners are bringing shame Scotland by the way in which they "monster" supporters of the United Kingdom, the former chancellor Alistair Darling has said.
As a new poll showed a growth in suport for independence, the head of the Better Together campaign accused nationalists of being "consistently negative" about supporters of the UK.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...sts-monstering-uk-supporters-alistair-darling

ETA Just been reading the comments. Someone came out with this re Barrhead Travel. :eek::D

'you know suppressing dissenting voices is what hitler did, right? its not good you know'

'so he's not allowed to tell his staff that a yes vote might be bad for business?
do you know how this makes you sound? it is truely terrifying how some do not question what the SNP say or their totally unrealistic proposition. if the business was making gas chambers for the SNP to cull englanders living in scotland, could he speak out then?'

:facepalm: yes campaigners are also being referred to as the Scottish Nazi movement :facepalm: last time I checked there were more unionist fash :facepalm:
 
It was obviously bullshit when they first announced it, basically the Yes campaign just sits back and let's these idiots destroy themselves.

Cheers, DairyQueen
:confused: So the political parties who would have to sell it to the rUK public dismiss the idea and it's bluff and bluster then the attacks move on to the civil servants who would have to administer the thing now they are biased, shows more how unworkable this currency union would be.
 
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:confused: So the political parties who would have to sell it to the rUK public dismiss the idea and it'd bluff and bluster then the attacks move on to the civil servants who would have to administer the thing now they are biased, shows more how unworkable this currency union would be.
Eh?
 
:confused: So the political parties who would have to sell it to the rUK public dismiss the idea and it's bluff and bluster then the attacks move on to the civil servants who would have to administer the thing now they are biased, shows more how unworkable this currency union would be.

It is not a question of bluff or bluster, the problem is that the civil servant looks like he has been deleting information or very little substantive work has actually taken place in the Treasury except a few informal chats with the minister. Considering how important an issue we are told this is, it is pretty unbelievable. So all these arguments the civil servant has put forward and there is just one memo?
 
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