Will you vote for independence?
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/03/yougov-reports-its-highest-yes-vote-yet/
"It has long been apparent that the currency intervention had not produced any boost for the No side. It is now beginning to look as though the last six weeks may, if anything, have seen the Yes side catch up a little further.
Certainly today’s poll confirms the message of last Sunday’s ICM poll that it is the Yes side rather than No that has been making some progress so far as the economic debate is concerned".
Of course, Yes is still behind.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Cheers. So, fair to say now that since that intervention there has been a small rise for YES and a smaller drop in NO. Of course, that's not to say that the latter is a direct result of the former - there's been a whole series of clumsy interventions from the NO side that seem to be me have accumulated and gave the impression of high handed establishment interfering buffonery which has alienated a number of people and which the YES side have tried to make gains out of - but again, that's not to say the small improvement in the YES vote is down to the YES campaign, i suspect it's more of a social reaction to the NO idiots than love to the YES politicians. I think what the interventions may be doing and which may prove significant closer to the time is hardening up the YES vote, exactly the opposite of what was intended - shaking up and scaring the less committed. That may still happen closer to the actual vote though.
Lemon Eddy
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There's a bit of a cleft stick situation for the English here. If they say nothing, then it's typical Enlish indifference to the Scots. If they say something, then who the fuck do they think they are to have an opinion?
I can see why most celebs are staying the fuck out of this one, I really can.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
or you risk the sort of vocal 'who cares? let em get on with it' opinion that I think most people in england share (based on nothing except people I have discussed the matter with)
Personally I would like the union to stay the union cos I like scottish people, they are like even more northern than my geordie sperm donor.
if I was a resident of woadland I'd vote yes to independance though. I mean, fuck westminster.
a thought did occur to me wrt the choice being exended to 16 yo's. Thats got to be a fucker for psephologists and pollsters in general hasn't it? There's no patterns and previous to analyse so they will be relying on demographics, facebook polls and random guessing.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Nah, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but equally others are entitled to mock that opinion mercilessly, especially if the opinion comes from someone who doesn't even live in the UK
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
btw, there was also a TNS BMRB poll released today: YES 28%(-1), NO 42%
DairyQueen
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Yeah, I saw that. It looked a strange poll. Delayed. Why do TNS have such a large don't know category?
The Yes campaign have a mountain to climb, but hopefully some folk can be convinced.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
If this is true it's pretty deadly for the Naws seeing as it blows their big caveat out of the water. I'd take the Euro over Trident anyday though.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/independent-scotland-may-keep-pound
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/independent-scotland-may-keep-pound
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Higher proportion of lefties on here.
geminisnake
a complex mass of conflicting ideas
Polls tend to be about 1000 people being asked(any time I've checked) You can't gauge anything properly on that small a sample imo. The last Holyrood elections saw just under 2 million people vote. How does 1000 represent that? It's not even 1%, it's not near 1%. 1% would be 10,000 people. That's when you might see a figure worth giving some consideration to.
weltweit
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Are you suggesting that polls are shit? That the methodology of the pollsters is wrong? That you don't like the results of particular polls? What? Do say.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's what called a representative sample - they're pretty bloody good at gauging public opinion. Far more so than someone saying well all my mates think this therefore it's true across the country.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
You've said this before and it's just rubbish. So long as the sample is representative then 1000 people is a large enough sample to extrapolate the results to a larger population.
For me, an independent Scotland having its own currency is a good thing. And being outside the EU but inside EFTA is a bonus.
DairyQueen
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butchersapron
The polls do indicate the Yes campaign have a lot of people to persuade, but there is movement in the their direction, and it is unlikely there will be a yes vote. The value in the polls is the fact there are so many of them though, which tend to produce similar results. TNS have a strange methodology though - that does look like an outlier.
The Yes-No divide (after including don't knows), I think might be a bit better for Yes than the polls suggest. But there does need to be a swing which really depends on how badly the Nos fuck up.
A single poll of 1,000 people is close to worthless, a collection of them over months have some value though. The TNS poll you put up, I would put in that category.
I think there is a chance of a yes vote, but we need to see this swing increasing in the months ahead.
The polls do indicate the Yes campaign have a lot of people to persuade, but there is movement in the their direction, and it is unlikely there will be a yes vote. The value in the polls is the fact there are so many of them though, which tend to produce similar results. TNS have a strange methodology though - that does look like an outlier.
The Yes-No divide (after including don't knows), I think might be a bit better for Yes than the polls suggest. But there does need to be a swing which really depends on how badly the Nos fuck up.
A single poll of 1,000 people is close to worthless, a collection of them over months have some value though. The TNS poll you put up, I would put in that category.
I think there is a chance of a yes vote, but we need to see this swing increasing in the months ahead.
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Frankie Jack
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Unable to trade with England. What utter nonsense.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
And another good reason not to use his company (not that I ever did).
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
reminds me of the american chap who issued similar thinly vieled threats about having to sack people if Obama got a second term. Where do these people get off.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Labour MP still using the same bluff even though he's let us see his cards:
"Businesses still aren’t being told what would replace the Pound"
Silly fucker. Hasn't quite grasped how to play Poker.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-boss-defends-referendum-staff-memo-1-3359505
"Businesses still aren’t being told what would replace the Pound"
Silly fucker. Hasn't quite grasped how to play Poker.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-boss-defends-referendum-staff-memo-1-3359505
The email or Lyddon's work? Have you read the latter? On page 19 is a very interesting observation, which gives a clue as to why Salmond wishes to keep the British pound:
Lyddon said:
And he goes on to extend this to the Euro.
But really, as I've said upthread, I really would prefer an independent Scotland to have its own currency, in which case Lyddon's objection goes away.
Sorry but I've got to disagree. He's free to express his opinions in whatever form he chooses. It's not bullying: it's going to be a secret ballot so he won't know how his employees vote.
It doesn't really matter what the name of the replacement currency will be. Salmond wants to keep the pound; I hope he won't be able to.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the 'I can't believe its not pound'
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