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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
Apparently it's disgusting that this money has been raised, apparently it should be donated to food banks. Excuse me, but I thought the Govt were supposed to keep people from needing food banks in the first fucking place?? :facepalm: Isn't that why we were supposed to pay taxes??
 
geminisnake said:
Apparently it's disgusting that this money has been raised, apparently it should be donated to food banks. Excuse me, but I thought the Govt were supposed to keep people from needing food banks in the first fucking place?? :facepalm: Isn't that why we were supposed to pay taxes??
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The Starving Children In Africa argument. Closely related to the People On Benefits All Have Big Tellies argument.
 
geminisnake said:
Apparently it's disgusting that this money has been raised, apparently it should be donated to food banks. Excuse me, but I thought the Govt were supposed to keep people from needing food banks in the first fucking place?? :facepalm: Isn't that why we were supposed to pay taxes??
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It's all from people on benefits anyway. UK taxpayers' money.
 
danny la rouge said:
It's all from people on benefits anyway. UK taxpayers' money.
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I don't think anyone on benefits could donate 10k! For starters you'd get done for fraud having that much!!

This was posted about 4.30pm
Rev just tweeted: We’ve just had a £10,000 donation through the donate page, not via the fundraiser. Yes, TEN thousand. Target breached. #gobsmacked
 
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Frankie Jack said:
How much does he need to get to September? £55k to run a website?
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He does a break down of what the money is all for Frankie, go to the site :)
The 10k donation was to the site, not the fundraiser so target reached in less than 24 hours plus 10K. It wasnae Serbians :p
The site costs £3k, Stu needs living costs and he wants to print stuff for dishing out.
 
Doesn't bother me who donated. Chuffed that folk have donated. £55k and promises of more from hunners when they get paid, giros etc seems a bit excessive. Especially when YES Scotland are crowd sourcing for a debate in Glasgow as well. Perhaps they should pool resources. IMO there's giving and there's taking the piss.
 
Frankie Jack said:
Especially when YES Scotland are crowd sourcing for a debate in Glasgow as well. Perhaps they should pool resources. IMO there's giving and there's taking the piss.
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A lot of people did say they were donating to Wings and Yes.

Afaik he was hoping to move north before the registration cut off.
 
I have to admit I knew nothing about Stuart Campbell. I’m not an avid reader of Wings Over Scotland, having only read a handful of links I’ve been sent. I didn’t like the tone that creeps into some of the pieces I’ve seen (always in the pieces by him rather than other contributors). And I found what I’d seen too actually nationalist for my tastes.

However, butchers’ comments intrigued me (and I had no idea what Gem meant by her games reference), so I’ve done some digging, and I like what I’ve seen even less.

I had taken his title at face value, and imagined him to be a retired Church of Scotland minister. I never Googled him, because I didn’t expect an insignificant minister from Argyll to have much of an online presence. (I imagined him to be somewhere they vote Liberal, given that the only other thing I knew about him was that he was an ex-Lib Dem supporter).

I had heard he had had some sort of hetero-normative rant about Bradley Manning. But again, I put that down to his religious background, and probable age group.

It turns out that he isn’t an ordained minister, but a video game reviewer. And he’s 2 years younger than me. He does live in a Lib Dem voting area, though: the West Country.

The Hillsborough thing is quite serious, though. I’ve found it and read it. The emotive language he uses in his piece is disturbing, as are his victim-blaming and his claims to understand psychology (how, exactly, is a video games reviewer qualified to proclaim on human nature? ). Sorry, but that piece is a serious stain on his reputation.

The trouble is that the press in Scotland is all Unionist. Only the Sunday Herald (though not the weekday version) is more even-handed on occasion, though not exactly supportive of independence. The BBC in Scotland is downright hostile, even to the extent of using funds intended for referendum coverage to try to rubbish a report from Edinburgh University on referendum bias by the BBC and STV.

So of course people are going to turn to the internet. I'm not really surprised that Campbell's crowd-sourcing has been so successful. What else is there? http://newsnetscotland.com/ (much better than Wings, in my view, and with a better layout and look, which is weird given that Campbell's supposed to be a techy), and http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/ (which is mainly opinion pieces, and can be a bit hit or miss). If Campbell is able now to pay for other contributors to do some serious, reputable work for him, then I suppose that’s a good thing. But his own politics and credibility seems to have some serious flaws.
 
Can you pm me a link to the Hillsborough article please? I'm not happy about your description. I don't remember making a games reference(was is some time ago), but then I don't remember yesterday a lot of the time :(
 
geminisnake said:
Can you pm me a link to the Hillsborough article please? I'm not happy about your description. I don't remember making a games reference(was is some time ago), but then I don't remember yesterday a lot of the time :(
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Apologies, Gem, it was Frankie Jack who made the games comment I didn't understand.

Here's the Hillsborough article, though: http://wosland.podgamer.com/no-justice-for-the-96/

I won't pick out quotes or do a commentary. Readers can decide for themselves.
 
He was taking flack last night for continuing to call Chelsea Manning 'him'

His gamer site. I made the "I see what he did there" reference to his sites all names W.O.S. Wings Over Scotland, Wings Over sealand, World Of Stuart.
 
DotCommunist said:
so let me get this straight, some dodgy games journo who lives further south of hadrians than I do (and I'm a fair way away) has set up a fund, of which he is the owner and distributor called wings over scotland and has raised nearly 100k? fuck me I'm in the wrong game...
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Some of the donations to go towards printing a 'Wee Blue Book' :D
 
I still don't get why the SNP are so opposed to Scotland having its own currency. Sure they think that a currency union is better, but why do they think that a Scottish currency - crowns and groats - is bad?
 
It is a shame, some friends swear by the Wings site but will probably have no idea of the mentality of the guy behind it. He sounds like a right tool tbh. The Hillsborough piece is terrible.
 
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