Will you vote for independence?

[DotCommunist]

friend of the family once had to dig his radio collared dog out from under a golf course. That went down well.

anyway

what are the twats doing now? Proffesing a deep held familial connection to the bruce?

 

[pogofish]

Golf courses good for magic mushrooms too.

Some of my earliest experiences with mushies were on golf courses!

 

[danny la rouge]

what are the twats doing now? Proffesing a deep held familial connection to the bruce?

Still telling us to trust them.

 

[pogofish]

what are the twats doing now? Proffesing a deep held familial connection to the bruce?

Gove was milking his time at Robert Gordon's for all it was worth.

They are all off the the main meeting now - which I understand might be in Dyce.

 

[DotCommunist]

Still telling us to trust them.

forgiveness does not imply future trust. Trust them lol. They wanted liverpool to fall into the river cos the city opposed 'reform'. They've never given a flying fuck about scotland except for somewhere to park gunboats and occasionally mug for resources.

I can't help but think that Better Together could just do well by shutting the fuck up. Stop reminding everyone of how ill treated they've been by a r/w tory gov in London

 

[pogofish]

Ooh, bad luck

Could have been worse - I was initially rostered for David Willetts as well but I managed to offload him on the new guy.

 

[Frankie Jack]

The recent posts have reminded me I've a bag of golf bats that belong to the ex that he's not come for in 4 years. What would be the best way to go about selling a reasonable good condition set of golf bats?

 

[Frankie Jack]

That close to cabinet prats and no incidents on the news pogofish ..?? Disappointment doesn't cover how I feel.

 

[Frankie Jack]

 

[ska invita]

They've never given a flying fuck about scotland except for somewhere to park gunboats and occasionally mug for resources.

nice spot to go shooting, and theyve got some strong lads up there to send to the front too

I can't help but think that Better Together could just do well by shutting the fuck up. Stop reminding everyone of how ill treated they've been by a r/w tory gov in London

This is whats so funny, is they know that too, but they cant be totally silent or else it looks like they dont care - they will try and do the bear minimum possible to not put heads above the parapet (depressingly this is what all UK opposition politics looks like these days - talking costs votes). This cabinet meeting in Aberdeen seems so far to be another case of it - yeah they're having a meeting - and keeping their public mouths shut it seems. I keep checking the news for soundbite from Osbourne but very disappointed so far

 

[geminisnake]

I think Its safe to say now that I was assigned to Michael Gove, then Baroness Warsi.

Eewww, have you had a disinfectant shower yet? And how did you manage to be polite? I would have been sick today.

Frankie Jack do you know anyone who plays at all? They'd know. Or have a shufty at the clubs and see what it says on them, then check google/ebay for similar. I have a bag of golf sticks too for some reason

 

[pogofish]

There was a very distinct lack of media attention today actually - Both Ministers had "Media opportunities" in their schedules but no journalists turned-up.

My money is on the press all being out at Portlethen? But still, more bacon rolls and later a rather tasty/spicy lunch for the rest of us!

 

[pogofish]

Old golf gear can be worth checking-out properly - there is apparently quite a collectors market for the right stuff, with some of it being very sought after indeed.

 

[danny la rouge]

nice spot to go shooting, and theyve got some strong lads up there to send to the front too

This is whats so funny, is they know that too, but they cant be totally silent or else it looks like they dont care - they will try and do the bear minimum possible to not put heads above the parapet (depressingly this is what all UK opposition politics looks like these days - talking costs votes). This cabinet meeting in Aberdeen seems so far to be another case of it - yeah they're having a meeting - and keeping their public mouths shut it seems. I keep checking the news for soundbite from Osbourne but very disappointed so far

He's in Brunei today, which has been part of a currency union for decades...

 

[Quartz]

There was a very distinct lack of media attention today actually - Both Ministers had "Media opportunities" in their schedules but no journalists turned-up.

Perhaps they should have gone out and pressed the flesh? Perhaps they should have advertised the event beforehand so people actually knew it was happening?

 

[weepiper]

This from Radical Indy

A sample of 900 canvass returns taken in areas of Glasgow, Dundee and Aberdeen, brought the following results:

Undecided 35 per cent
Yes 48 per cent
No 17 per cent

http://radicalindependence.org/inde...t-grows-for-yes-vote-in-deprived-communities/

 

[DexterTCN]

Newsnight just now....Anabel Gouldie trying to look like David Bowie.

 

[Fedayn]

I don't know anyone who plays golf. I don't move in those kinds of circles. There are indeed shitloads of golf courses here but I don't know anyone that uses them.

You do as it goes. Kev, one of ours from Croy, is a golfer.

 

[weepiper]

You do as it goes. Kev, one of ours from Croy, is a golfer.

I take it back. I (vaguely) know one person who plays golf

 

[N_igma]

Come on Scotland you can do it!

 

[JTG]

As they know they are hated so much , it seems to me like a double bluff by the cons , to force a yes vote and pretty much eliminate labours election chances south of the border .....dunno...?

We keep doing this one, the loss of Scotland in no way eliminates Labour's Westminster election chances

 

[Quartz]

Equally, voting for independence to get rid of the Tories is also a fallacy. Sure it will work in the immediate term, getting rid of the Westminster Tories, but in the longer term Scottish politics will coalesce into a right-of-centre grouping and a left-of-centre grouping with assorted fringe parties.

 

[danny la rouge]

Equally, voting for independence to get rid of the Tories is also a fallacy. Sure it will work in the immediate term, getting rid of the Westminster Tories, but in the longer term Scottish politics will coalesce into a right-of-centre grouping and a left-of-centre grouping with assorted fringe parties.

Yes, it will. This diagram, however, is the current Holyrood chamber depicted as per party composition:

Scottish National Party (69)
Scottish Labour Party (37)
Scottish Conservative Party (15)
Scottish Liberal Democrats (5)
Scottish Green Party (2)
Independent (1)

The Tories got 13.91% of the Constituency vote and 12.4% of the Regional vote. They have 15 seats due to the electoral system, which they initially opposed. They have 3 Constituency seats. (Under FTPT, that would have been their likely total).

Even renamed, I don't see a very bright future for right of centre politics in Scotland.

I don't think that independence will "rid Scotland of Tories". It will, however, make it extremely unlikely that they would form a majority in the foreseeable future.

 

[danny la rouge]

The other grey dots are the technical posts - the presiding officer etc.

 

[JTG]

Yes, it will. This diagram, however, is the current Holyrood chamber depicted as per party composition:

Scottish National Party (69)
Scottish Labour Party (37)
Scottish Conservative Party (15)
Scottish Liberal Democrats (5)
Scottish Green Party (2)
Independent (1)

The Tories got 13.91% of the Constituency vote and 12.4% of the Regional vote. They have 15 seats due to the electoral system, which they initially opposed. They have 3 Constituency seats. (Under FTPT, that would have been their likely total).

Even renamed, I don't see a very bright future for right of centre politics in Scotland.

I don't think that independence will "rid Scotland of Tories". It will, however, make it extremely unlikely that they would form a majority in the foreseeable future.

Any chance of a post-independence split in the SNP? Have only vague ideas about how they're composed so a genuine question

 

[butchersapron]

If anyone thinks the tories don't take the unionist part of conservative and unionist party very very seriously - then you're wrong. It's part of their core identity. That doesn't then mean that their defence of that union is not inept and based on a misreading of popular sentiment (yes and no) in Scotland. The YES campaign in the AV referendum really really believed in their cause - they were equally cut off from wider social moorings and so offered an example of utter backfiring incompetence. There is no need for conspiracy then or now. Some people are just shit at what they do.

 

[JTG]

If anyone thinks the toris don't take the unionist part of conservative and unionist party very very seriously - then you're wrong. It's part of their core identity. That doesn't then mean that their defence of that union is not inept and based on a misreading of popular sentiment (yes and no) in Scotland. The YES campaign in the AV referendum really really believed in their cause - they were equally cut off from wider social moorings and so offered an example of utter backfiring incompetence. There is no need for conspiracy then or now. Some people are just shit at what they do.

Yes, this is what I feel on balance. No need for conspiracies

 

[Quartz]

Even renamed, I don't see a very bright future for right of centre politics in Scotland.

You mistake me. It's not a question of Tories vs Labour, but of a generic right-of-centre vs a generic left-of-centre. Just look at legislatures around the western world. You could label them Republicans and Democrats (US) or UMP and Socialist (France) or Liberal and Labor (Oz) or ... There will be a party or grouping that's to the right of the centre and a party or grouping that's to the left of the centre. Scotland's centre will be different from England's centre, but there will be a right-of-centre and a left-of-centre.

 

[geminisnake]

but in the longer term Scottish politics will coalesce into a right-of-centre grouping and a left-of-centre grouping with assorted fringe parties.

Really?? Have you looked at the voting results for the last 10 years or so? Have you looked at photos of any Tory events lately?? I don't know anyone under the age of 45 who would even think of voting tory. The Tory party is a zombie up here. I do watch the Tories(know thine enemy), they are not a young and up and coming party. I really don't see this changing in my lifetime.
The Labour vote is also at an all time low because they have moved right. They are winning by elections on 16%(ish) of the electorate.

 

[danny la rouge]

Any chance of a post-independence split in the SNP? Have only vague ideas about how they're composed so a genuine question

It's possible. Not, I'd think, immediately. But, yes. The largest number I see potentially splitting away would be parliamentary socialists. But anyone who thinks a sizeable number would join the Tories is missing the point. The SNP is perceived as left of centre. Most people will tell you that the SNP is to the left of Labour. Whether they are or not doesn't matter: nobody votes SNP thinking them a good substitute for the Tories. Indeed, I'd argue that one reason they did well in 2011 is that Westminster had just delivered a Tory/LibDem government in 2010. Voting SNP was seen by many as a defence to mitigate against that.

Even if there are right-of-centre SNP MSPs, their electoral future would not be rosy were they to leave for a new right-of-centre party.