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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%
  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%
  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%

  • Total voters
    175
I was in Dundee last night but I wasn't going to waste my money. George is claiming 400 folk there yet the theatre hosting is still saying 30 confirmed booking. I very much doubt 300+ turned up on the night :D
 
Ladbrokes are offer 5 -1 for a Yes vote - thats well worth a bet i think. the campaign will kick off properly next week, and although the bookies dont give them much hope, i think we'll see those odds come right down over the next few months
 
Radical Independence conference today is pretty much a sell-out according to their twitter feed

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'Independence is a class issue ... the rich are voting no'


THE independence referendum is "a class conflict" in which the rich are promoting a No vote to maintain their privileges, more than 1000 delegates to the left-wing Radical Independence Conference heard yesterday.

Report from the conference here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...a-class-issue-the-rich-are-voting-no.22777558

I wonder how much the campaign is, or might become, one of class?
 
Whats the current feeling up there Scottish posters? I mean what vibe are you getting from people?

Are we going to have to move all Scottish political discussion to the World Politics forum or what?
 
Whats the current feeling up there Scottish posters? I mean what vibe are you getting from people?
It's not straightforward. The media is hotting up on the issue. More coverage, more heat.

From the start, the newspapers ranged from hostile (the Sun, the Record, the Scotsman) to sceptical, but more nuanced (the Herald). The language in the Herald, though, has been changing. It has been edging towards more favourable coverage of the issues. Whereas all the other papers frame the debate with headlines more negative towards Yes, seeing every issue as "putting pressure" on the Yes campaign, things like that, the Herald tends to be more neutral in that respect. The Herald also tends to use the word "independence", whereas the others will use "separation" and "separatism" wherever they can.

I think there is a class dimension, as Radical Indy suggest. I haven't seen polling that breaks support and opposition down by socio-economic class, so I don't know what extent that applies, but it is certainly the case that the backers of the No campaign are the big business interests, whereas the Yes campaign backers are more likely to be individual celebrities.

It's interesting to note that almost all artists, musicians, writers etc who have come out on the issue back independence. Those backing No, Dave Allen could count on one hand: Billy Connelly and James MacMillan, the composer (whose outburst about Radical Indy activists being "fascists" and "Mussolini's boot boys" was bizarre and unhinged). I think there are historic reasons why this should be, but I don't have time now.

I don't think Scots are "more socialist" or even more left wing than English voters. But there is a mythology that says so, and the point is that it's widely believed.

However, despite the Better Together campaign antagonising some with its Queen and Country style nationalism, the people it's antagonising were likely to vote Yes anyway. I can see no shift in undecideds.
 
is it just me or is
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the most underwhelming slogan ever?
having said that its very british in its understatement.
 
That's the first time I've seen it.
a report i saw a few days ago suggests that the No campaign is underfunded...and that's it's big slogan.
The yes campaign by comparison has received some big donations: 1 million from a couple who won the euromillion lotter and a million from some someone else who i forget right now. The yes camp is planning a massive blitz, particularly on printing on bits of paper. The no camp is left with a few sad UK OK badges.
That could be a factor down the line
 
a report i saw a few days ago suggests that the No campaign is underfunded...and that's it's big slogan.
The yes campaign by comparison has received some big donations: 1 million from a couple who won the euromillion lotter and a million from some someone else who i forget right now. The yes camp is planning a massive blitz, particularly on printing on bits of paper. The no camp is left with a few sad UK OK badges.
That could be a factor down the line

That's interesting. It could well be a factor in turnout. I know one thing about Better Together: it has almost no grass roots organisation. I see Yes campaigning all the time, but I've never seen Better Together do anything. I just don't think they have any activist support. That's not the same thing as voter support, but, as you say, it may play a role down the line.
 
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