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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175


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danny la rouge said:
Incidentally, I think the Yes campaigners who are identifying themselves as "The 45" are making a strategic mistake. They're excluding those who voted No on the understanding that "the Vow" would take effect, making it harder for them to move to a pro-independence stance if they become disillusioned with the progress of the devo timetable.

The pro independence movement needs to welcome those people, not exclude them, or refer to them as "the enemy" (as I saw some say on Friday, in a fit of bitterness reminiscent of Sillars' "90 minute patriots" jibe).
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I was starting to think the Yes campaign were in fact all a bunch of arrogant wankers with the flood of adolescent "the 45" tirades that were appearing on my Facebook feed. Thank you danny for talking some sense.
 
teuchter said:
What level of support is there in the English "regions" for devolved powers? You'd think they'd want it for the same reasons as Scotland yet I hear few calls for it. Is that just because I'm in London, or is the fact that they don't have an "nation" to organise around, as scotland does, a hindrance to enough momentum ever gathering?
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The drive for devolved powers is coming from the emerging ' combined authorities ' within local government .
 
weepiper said:
That's third largest party in the UK. Over the Lib Dems. I believe they passed UKIP sometime this afternoon.
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http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides...pendence-snp-greens-and-ssp-after-referendum/

The number of new SNP members saw the party grow by 63% in the 85 hours from Thursday at 5pm, and its membership numbers overtook the entire UK membership of the Liberal Democrats on Monday evening.

[...] the SNP is now the third-largest party in the UK after the Conservatives and Labour.
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What did the 'revo left' advocate in the vote? I know the SWP said yes and workers power said no but what about the rest of the swamp?
 
The39thStep said:
What did the 'revo left' advocate in the vote? I know the SWP said yes and workers power said no but what about the rest of the swamp?
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Do you mean in Scotland? SSP have always been pro-indy, Tommy Sheridan was speaking all over the shop in a desperate attempt to claw back some credibility and not sure about any others.
 
weepiper said:
Do you mean in Scotland? SSP have always been pro-indy, Tommy Sheridan was speaking all over the shop in a desperate attempt to claw back some credibility and not sure about any others.
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Yes heard him on the radio before the vote. Am interested in either side of the border re lefty groups. Did the anarchists call for a vote either way or were they against voting?
 
Incidentally, I'm seeing a lot of over-excited Yes supporters saying that Labour will be routed in Scotland at the Westminster General Election. Their main piece of evidence seems to be that they hope they are.

I don't really understand how they think it'll happen. I know tens of thousands of activists are joining the SNP and other pro Yes parties, but that's activists. It doesn't mean the electorate will follow suit. Just because a Labour supporter voted Yes doesn't mean they'll not vote Labour at the Westminster GE. It doesn't work like that. Voters who vote SNP at Holyrood elections often switch back to Labour for Westminster elections, for example.

I know that there were Yes majorities in the constituencies of all the Glasgow MPs, but you can't just assume those votes will go to SNP. You can't even assume they'll vote. The referendum turnout was vastly elevated. 75% in Glasgow. Why assume that'll stay high and not drop back to the 49%, 50% we saw in Glasgow constituencies in 2010?

With an influx of activists, the SNP and others might be able to raise that a little, but to oust all the Glasgow Labour MPs? I doubt it.
 
The39thStep said:
The drive for devolved powers is coming from the emerging ' combined authorities ' within local government .
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How do you read this? From this distance it looks like top politicians trying to extend personal fiefdoms and/or beancounters attempting to square austerity circles. Is that anything like accurate?
 
danny la rouge said:
I know that there were Yes majorities in the constituencies of all the Glasgow MPs, but you can't just assume those votes will go to SNP. You can't even assume they'll vote. The referendum turnout was vastly elevated. 75% in Glasgow. Why assume that'll stay high and not drop back to the 49%, 50% we saw in Glasgow constituencies in 2010?
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Have you (or anyone) got a link to figures for the bit in bold? I.e for each of the constituencies?
 
On twitter yesterday I was reading that one of lord ashcrofts polls had found that classes D and E largely voted for no and the only constituency that voted for yes was C1 males.

Can anyone confirm/deny this? or was it a too unrepresentative sample, like the 14 16-18 year olds? butchersapron
 
danny la rouge said:
Incidentally, I'm seeing a lot of over-excited Yes supporters saying that Labour will be routed in Scotland at the Westminster General Election. Their main piece of evidence seems to be that they hope they are.

I don't really understand how they think it'll happen. I know tens of thousands of activists are joining the SNP and other pro Yes parties, but that's activists. It doesn't mean the electorate will follow suit. Just because a Labour supporter voted Yes doesn't mean they'll not vote Labour at the Westminster GE. It doesn't work like that. Voters who vote SNP at Holyrood elections often switch back to Labour for Westminster elections, for example.

I know that there were Yes majorities in the constituencies of all the Glasgow MPs, but you can't just assume those votes will go to SNP. You can't even assume they'll vote. The referendum turnout was vastly elevated. 75% in Glasgow. Why assume that'll stay high and not drop back to the 49%, 50% we saw in Glasgow constituencies in 2010?

With an influx of activists, the SNP and others might be able to raise that a little, but to oust all the Glasgow Labour MPs? I doubt it.
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To early to tell yet, but I disagree. I know he who wins gets to write history but Main Stream media seem to be taking all the wrong lessons and therefore leading rUK public up a blind alley as to what happened. You don't have to be a Yes supporter to see it wasn't a flash in the pan, fit of pique that delivered 45%. Westminster carrying on like nothing has happened, even today Cameron to cut public funding to Scotland is a headline in the Times, and there's and interesting piece in the Guardian. if we pretend it didn't happen it will go away, a dangerous move

Westminster elections are close enough that what we've been through will still be fresh in peoples minds, and far enough that its possible to gauge how the parties reacted to it. No party will have the unanimous backing of the media, a doubling of activists will make a difference whilst Labour can't afford to bus helpers up from down south.

SNP could fuck up (Independence without further plebiscite is a case in point, scares off those who want a credible alternative to red/blue without Independence), but it is credible to see SNP holding the balance of power in Westminster next year (and the leverage that gives)and harder than it was to differentiate blue from red.
 
frogwoman said:
On twitter yesterday I was reading that one of lord ashcrofts polls had found that classes D and E largely voted for no and the only constituency that voted for yes was C1 males.

Can anyone confirm/deny this? or was it a too unrepresentative sample, like the 14 16-18 year olds? butchersapron
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This is what his post-election poll found - top % are yes, bottom No:

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I would be slightly wary as it seems to be top-loaded with A B and C's - i know that a lot of people have been redrawing the class-demographics of Scotland since friday (i.e rather than it being 80% w/c it suddenly became 45% w/c but...)



and this is the gender breakdown within that:

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butchersapron said:
This is what his post-election poll found - top % are yes, bottom No:

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I would be wary as it seems to be top-loaded with A B and C's - and i know that a lot of people have been redrawing the class-demographics of scotland since friday (i.e rather than being 80% w/c it suddenly became 45% w/c but...)



and this is the gender breakdown within that:

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ta. it seems to have been quite similar across classes etc with a majority against independence across most of them.
 
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