8ball
Decolonise colons!
That needs some backing up.
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That needs some backing up.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Quartz needs to back it up you mean? Well, he was asked, he was still being asked yesterday - he has flatly refused to.
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. I don't hold with some of the arguments used by some of the Yes camp on this site, but I didn't see anything coming close to bigotry and I've probably seen most of the whole gamut of the recent Scots indy threads.
iamwithnail
Well-Known Member
Well, that didn't take long:
(I know there's a conspiracy thread, but this was so on topic, thought it should go here.)
(I know there's a conspiracy thread, but this was so on topic, thought it should go here.)
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
gutted and sorry for Scotland
Why? Most got what they wanted.
iamwithnail
Well-Known Member
I suspect there's going to be a lot of what we 'deserve' when the Tory backbenches run the reforms off the rails.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Well, that remains to be seen.
The constitutional wranglings that will now ensue may well result in a UK that No voters didn't envisage or want. For example, Cameron is already talking about a 2 tier Westminster. That is a new proposal (in the sense that it wasn't put before referendum voters).
It is quite likely that the Union in the longer term is now dead anyway, but messily, and drawn out, rather than cleanly.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Must be very time consuming, waiting for every single public event to find evidence of the NWO. That clown must have sat up all night, not to get the result, but to make his shitty video. Christ.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Not sure how you can judge that. A 55 percent no vote plus extra powers devolved to the Scottish parliament, if that happens, would appear to me to kick the question of independence rather a long way down the road.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
We're not going to get any extra powers. The English populace won't stand for it as they will see it as taking away from them. They will elect people who won't give us it in 2015. Can't blame them really. Independence is the only answer to the West Lothian question. Scotland meanwhile will punish Labour in 2015 and return more SNP MPs.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
You might be right. We'll see. That's where some good could come from this - there is another answer to the West Lothian question, and that is devolution within the rest of the UK, too, a move towards federalism.
As for the SNP gaining more MPs, perhaps. Or perhaps this marks the high-point of SNP popularity.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The english populace - which does not exist as a unitary body with one view - will vote the same way as they would if the independence had been won - it will not effect the english vote in the GE at all. That is, labour winning a small-medium majority. Or the tories. Either way, this result will mean nothing electorally - beyond UKIP breaking off another chunk of tory support. Which in itself, shows there is no electoral english populace.
I'm not sure I understand your logic with this prediction. Element of wishful thinking?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
There's an awful lot of traditional Labour voters up here disgusted with the way they stood side by side with the Tories.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
At the same time, Labour voters voted 2-1 'no'. tbf I would guess that a fair few people were disgusted by all sides in the debates. How much damage has the SNP done itself by revealing its rather neoliberal vision of the future?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Laurie Penny has just come out in favour of a yes vote lol obviously didn't want the referendum to interfere with promoting her book
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
The fact that Labour couldn't secure the backing of it's working class vote is more damaging
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
How much backing do you want them to secure? I would think that 2/3 is a pretty decent return, higher than the libdems got, if the Ashcroft thing is to be believed.
It's not inconsistent to have voted Labour and voted 'yes', but only about 1/3 did so.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Labours vote is pretty much split between working and middle classes . They lost the argument with the working class voter hence the yes votes in working class areas.
iamwithnail
Well-Known Member
Salmond resigning, protesting that the 'supposed unified front has become un-unified far quicker than even I had imagined'. Fair shout tbh. Going to be a shafting.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Because the only stable settlement would be a federal UK. We won't get that. The wrangling and instability caused by asymmetric devolution will lead to further constitutional crises. We can already see that the referendum promises are unravelling; the Westminster backbench backlash is under way.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
If the executive arms of the state (from tory passing to labour next time) are in agreement - and they are - these people don't matter.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
There will be a devolution scheme, but it won't be stable.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why not? (i'm not saying any model will be).The executive runs thing not (or the cabinet) - MPs don't matter.
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