About as reliable as a telephone based, or online based, or extremely self-selectorate based, 'poll'
Use psephological science FFS
This outsider still predicts a narrow No, because I know a tiny bit about opinion polling methodology flaws.
Will you vote for independence?
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About as reliable as a telephone based, or online based, or extremely self-selectorate based, 'poll'
Use psephological science FFS
This outsider still predicts a narrow No, because I know a tiny bit about opinion polling methodology flaws.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Why do they say they're not voting?Yeah
But also
You'd be mad not to wouldn't you?
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
Yep.. The fear tho...
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Yes, several - but not nearly as many as you would expect around a local/general/euro election.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Did they say why?
gosub
~#
Jehovah'witnesses are not partaking
I was blatantly pisstaking earlier up, frogwoman ....
Some people South of the Great Big Border can't vote ... including rUK-resident Scots ...
Exactly my point of the original pisstake from me ... The only Scots I personally (IRL) know myself live in England too ...
1%er
Well-Known Member
god will decide
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
Did they say why?
Didn't push the issue.
farmerbarleymow
I'm Petee's spirit animal
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
Wonder how Quartz on the fence voted..
In the end I voted No. This will not surprise you but the reasons might. I only decided in the last week. (That many won't believe that is in part why Yes lost.) I had a holiday in France which gave me time to reflect, and of course I was quizzed on independence by the French. There's nothing like having to suddenly try to remember words in another language to help focus your mind.
As I said upthread, my perspective is for the long term - 50 and 100 years and more - not the short, so issues like Tories / Labour / NHS / currency really didn't matter. I saw a real possibility that the Shetlands would ask to remain in the UK which would bollix budgets in the short term - very clever of Cameron to let counts be local - but iScotland would get over that. I didn't consider the Borders voting No - perhaps the Scottish border might have moved northwards.
There was one short-term issue that did affect me: the widely reported appalling nastiness, bullying, and anti-English racism we've seen would get a lot worse in the immediate post-Yes while negotiations took place, but would eventually get better. In my conversations in France, I had to repeatedly mention racism and bullying. I hoped that the relationship would become like the one between America and Canada. But my nephew and niece are too young to understand that, and that weighed heavily.
The long-term issues were poverty and conflict.
In the long term iScotland, especially as part of Europe, would be much poorer. Our fisheries would be plundered and exploited by Europe. Shipbuilding would go to the big mainland shipyards, to the countries with the biggest voices, with perhaps a few sops to Scotland. Scotland would be a very small backwater within Europe, tossed a bone every now and then. And if the rUK left Europe, especially with the Orkneys and Shetlands then things would be much worse.
There's the nuclear issue. Scotland will need nuclear power. There is currently no alternative for baseline power. Scotland would be much poorer without nuclear power.
Salmond proposed to improve immigration, but who'd want to come to iScotland? And perhaps he might better advised to concentrate on why so many leave.
A separate Scotland would not have much weight internationally. My brother sometimes goes to dangerous places as part of his job and an iScotland would not be able to apply diplomatic pressure if he got into trouble, nor would an iScotland have the military wherewithall to rescue him.
And a separate Scotland is a recipe for conflict in the long term between England and Scotland. Over land and over fresh water. England will need fresh water and Scotland has it.
There's more, but I need to leave now, so I'll make two final quick points:
On a quick glance it seems that it was pretty much only the Central Belt and Dundee that voted for independence.
There are some on this thread on the Yes side who can stand proud; there are others who need to look in the mirror and be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There's a town in West Yorkshire flying from Holyrood?
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Quartz
You are a shambles. Your post, and posts, have been nothing but regurgitated Telegraph loonspeak. At no point were you anything other than a firm no. You attempted to play the role of 'neutral' observor. Even at this stage, you rejected all arguments that did not conform to what you had read in the right-wing press. No-one buys your guff pal. You scream racist in response.
Even now, after your side has won, you're still a total lunatic.
You are a shambles. Your post, and posts, have been nothing but regurgitated Telegraph loonspeak. At no point were you anything other than a firm no. You attempted to play the role of 'neutral' observor. Even at this stage, you rejected all arguments that did not conform to what you had read in the right-wing press. No-one buys your guff pal. You scream racist in response.
Even now, after your side has won, you're still a total lunatic.
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