Will you vote for independence?

[DairyQueen]

BBC Coverage of Concert4Yes: 2 arrested in assault outside venue

BBC Coverage of Spectator's No Rally: 5,000 people (organisers' estimate) attended.

Pathetic. Basically Russian standards of reporting.

 

[weepiper]

In the background of the BBC Reporting Scotland bulletin at 10.30 tonight

edit, and the culprits

 

[JTG]

Is that a giant John Terry jumping in for the photo op?!


Fair play to the Yes men. It's been an astonishingly well delivered and managed campaign. It's like everyone and anyone personable and credible (dare I say 'cool'?!) is on the Yes side.

Still stunned to see the bookies page have the Yes vote at 3.333/1

I've heard that the official Yes campaign has been a little dull (though better than No) and the energy and invention has come from the grassroots.

 

[JTG]

Anyway: any surprises in store for the final 48 hours? Anything up anybody's sleeve? Raising of the Terror Alert anybody?

 

[DairyQueen]

Anyway: any surprises in store for the final 48 hours? Anything up anybody's sleeve? Raising of the Terror Alert anybody?

We've had a royal baby, industry 'leaders', I suppose maybe the Sun might try and swing it one way or other. Apart from that, just waiting for the count and keeping Better Together politicians behind closed doors.

 

[Wilf]

In the background of the BBC Reporting Scotland bulletin at 10.30 tonight

Until I scrolled down properly, I thought you meant the vaguely cock shaped array of lights, top right.

 

[weepiper]

Wallace monument

 

[JTG]

Until I scrolled down properly, I thought you meant the vaguely cock shaped array of lights, top right.

 

[Wilf]

Wallace monument

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You're doing nothing to change my mind.

 

[JTG]

I see that Cameron stated in his speech today that Scots would no longer take part "in UK sporting teams from the Olympics to the British Lions"

I don't need to explain the inaccuracy of this statement

 

[Celyn]

Anyway: any surprises in store for the final 48 hours? Anything up anybody's sleeve? Raising of the Terror Alert anybody?

Am nervously wondering what dirty tricks are due to happen.

 

[Celyn]

In the background of the BBC Reporting Scotland bulletin at 10.30 tonight

edit, and the culprits

Haha, well done, lighty men!

 

[SpackleFrog]

I see that Cameron stated in his speech today that Scots would no longer take part "in UK sporting teams from the Olympics to the British Lions"

I don't need to explain the inaccuracy of this statement

Nah, it's true. Scottish people won't be allowed in the Lions teams cos not part of the UK. Ireland can though. Just accept it.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The class will be glad to hear the Young Communist League has issued a statement:

http://yclbritain.wordpress.com/2014/09/14/vote-no-on-the-18th/

It's mainly about the EU, for no reason that is explained.

 

[Celyn]

Cute. It reads like a cut & paste of stuff they had lying around on the office floor.

 

[JTG]

Nah, it's true. Scottish people won't be allowed in the Lions teams cos not part of the UK. Ireland can though. Just accept it.

No country has ever left the UK ever

 

[danny la rouge]

I see that Cameron stated in his speech today that Scots would no longer take part "in UK sporting teams from the Olympics to the British Lions"

I don't need to explain the inaccuracy of this statement

You do. No, actually, don't. I accept it's inaccurate because you've said so.

 

[marty21]

I see Clegg has been involved in some sort of pledge

 

[danny la rouge]

I see Clegg has been involved in some sort of pledge

Yes, Clegg has pledged. I'm convinced. Well, it was that and Geldof saying women shouldn't vote with their emotions. And some rich guys in London waving their briefcases to show us their love.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I had the misfortunate to overhear a little of Cameron's speech on the radio...cringeworthy stuff. 'You may not like me, but I won't be here forever...' Yeah Dave, it's ALL about you.

 

[JTG]

You do. No, actually, don't. I accept it's inaccurate because you've said so.

OK. The Lions are a composite egg chasing team of the four 'home' nations - including Irishmen from the RoI. Scottish independence need not affect this arrangement.

 

[Frankie Jack]

The pledge. No real difference from the shit waffled over the last few weeks. Just dressed up in re-arranged words spin.

Promises

Guarantee One

❱❱ New powers for the Scottish Parliament.

❱❱ Holyrood will be strengthened with extensive new powers, on a timetable beginning on September 19, with legislation in 2015.

❱❱ The Scottish Parliament will be a permanent and irreversible part of the British constitution.

Guarantee Two

❱❱ The guarantee of fairness to Scotland.

❱❱ The guarantee that the modern purpose of the Union is to ensure opportunity and security by pooling and sharing our resources equitably for our defence, prosperity and the social and economic welfare of every citizen, including through UK pensions and UK funding of healthcare.

Guarantee Three

❱❱ The power to spend more on the NHS if that is Scottish people’s will.

❱❱ The guarantee that with the continued Barnett allocation, based on need and with the power to raise its own funds, the final decisions on spending on public services in Scotland, including on the NHS, will be made by the Scottish Parliament.

❱❱ The Scottish Parliament will have the last word on how much is spent on health. It will have the power to keep the NHS in public hands and the capacity to protect it.

 

[newbie]

❱❱ The Scottish Parliament will be a permanent and irreversible part of the British constitution.

how? there is no "British constitution", just pro tem balance of power. I for one will expect any "permanent and irreversible" constitution to go to a referendum and will vote against.

 

[gosub]

OK. The Lions are a composite egg chasing team of the four 'home' nations - including Irishmen from the RoI. Scottish independence need not affect this arrangement.

Not having anyone good enough for the team is an entirely separate issue

 

[butchersapron]

❱❱ The Scottish Parliament will be a permanent and irreversible part of the British constitution.

how? there is no "British constitution", just pro tem balance of power. I for one will expect any "permanent and irreversible" constitution to go to a referendum and will vote against.

There is a british constitution - it's just not codified. That's how you can constitutional crisis.

(Yes, think i got in first this time)

 

[Diamond]

Either way, it's going to be a massive shitstorm.

Independence will be a painful route for all involved, while devo-max has no democratic mandate and will therefore (through the very issues it seeks to address) lead to a massive constitutional crisis.

 

[newbie]

BA that's just semantic. 'British constitution' is the name given to various historic compromises. Any part of it can be changed at any time, dependinmg entirely on the current balance of power.

That's how come the current referendum is happening, or the HoL got reformed, because temporary power shifted that way. In the sort of constitution almost every other country has some sort of predetermined hurdle would have had to be overcome- 2/3 majority or somesuch.

So yes, there is what's called a constitution, but not with "permanent and irreversible" bits.

 

[Frankie Jack]

Either way, it's going to be a massive shitstorm.

Independence will be a painful route for all involved, while devo-max has no democratic mandate and will therefore (through the very issues it seeks to address) lead to a massive constitutional crisis.

How?

 

[butchersapron]

BA that's just semantic. 'British constitution' is the name given to various historic compromises. Any part of it can be changed at any time, dependinmg entirely on the current balance of power.

That's how come the current referendum is happening, or the HoL got reformed, because temporary power shifted that way. In the sort of constitution almost every other country has some sort of predetermined hurdle would have had to be overcome- 2/3 majority or somesuch.

So yes, there is a constitution, but not with "permanent and irreversible" bits.

Written and codified constitutions are also changed depending on the balances of powers at any given time. This doesn't mean that they are not constitutions. Unchangeabilty is not a formal characteristic of constitutions. Much of our law is common law - does that mean we have no law?

Not that i want to go down this road anyway - i don't think there's anything to be found down there. I was just doing the traditional response when someone on here says there is no constitution.

 

[Diamond]

BA that's just semantic. 'British constitution' is the name given to various historic compromises. Any part of it can be changed at any time, dependinmg entirely on the current balance of power.

That's how come the current referendum is happening, or the HoL got reformed, because temporary power shifted that way. In the sort of constitution almost every other country has some sort of predetermined hurdle would have had to be overcome- 2/3 majority or somesuch.

So yes, there is what's called a constitution, but not with "permanent and irreversible" bits.

Yep, it's proof of the amazing flexibility of the "British Constitution" that this referendum doesn't require a super-majority.

Whatever the vote, I would expect some private judicial review to be advanced on that basis.