Will you vote for independence?

[Sue]

Gordon Brown asking whether people really believed Labour would stand by and watch the NHS in Scotland being privatised. On the World at One just now.

 

[butchersapron]

Gordon Brown asking whether people really believed Labour would stand by and watch the NHS in Scotland being privatised. On the World at One just now.

Of course they wouldn't just stand by and watch. They'd get involved right enough.

 

[DotCommunist]

Gordon Brown asking whether people really believed Labour would stand by and watch the NHS in Scotland being privatised. On the World at One just now.

thats some bare face cheek from a man who was blairs right hand man while they handed over loads of nhs services to crapita and other inept vultures

 

[Sue]

From a speech in Clydebank (former Labour stronghold, think it's now SNP) where he's obviously hoping people haven't been paying any attention at all or will still vote as directed by Labour, right or wrong.

Eta MSP's SNP, Westminster is still Labour.

 

[gosub]

No just got round to doorstopping our street. This square mile has one of the highest population densities in EUrope and massive class diversity. 8 of them and media crew. Tokenism at best

 

[Anonymous1]

Anyone still undecided?

 

[weepiper]

We just had Channel 4 news pop into our Yes Shop on Dunbar High Street. Their Political journo Michael Crick was telling us (off camera) how he had been travelling all over Scotland covering the campaign. We asked him what was his take on who he would win. He said, "Don't quote me, but it will be a Yes". I then joked, I would put this on social media. He then said, "to be honest, I have no problem with that". So here you are Michael...

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=912913145403345&id=100000540032989

 

[danny la rouge]

thats some bare face cheek from a man who was blairs right hand man while they handed over loads of nhs services to crapita and other inept vultures

The question is will people believe him?

 

[weepiper]

Here's a bit of a surprise: Shetland News comes out for Yes

 

[danny la rouge]

Here's a bit of a surprise: Shetland News comes out for Yes

Aw, poor Alistair Carmichael. The smearing, lying wanker.

 

[weepiper]

Miliband got pelters in Edinburgh it seems.

 

[Sue]

Miliband got pelters in Edinburgh it seems.

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Just heard this on the radio, along with some utterly rubbish and instantly forgettable soundbite from EM. (So instantly forgettable, I couldn't remember what he was saying while he was still saying it.)

 

[Frankie Jack]

 

[Frankie Jack]

Millions may think we're mad on Indyref.. but some are mad with style..

 

[DexterTCN]

Twitter and FB are so fruitful just now, can't keep up.

If you need a little break I came across this little gem posted by Eddi Reader (and by little I obviously mean 11 minutes long), a bit off-topic but wonderful to look at.

 

[iamwithnail]

'sake.

They are, as my mate pointed out, going to lose their shit when they discover you can't go in wearing your Yes badge.

 

[geminisnake]

Twitter and FB are so fruitful just now, can't keep up.

If you need a little break I came across this little gem posted by Eddi Reader (and by little I obviously mean 11 minutes long), a bit off-topic but wonderful to look at.

I'll need to watch this tomorrow. I saw that lassie's paintings in Aberdeen Art gallery when I was hunting Wild Dolphins

 

[weepiper]

 

[JTG]

Has to be said: it's been highly instructive, even for a cynic like me, to see all elements of the mainstream media swing behind the establishment over this as Yes becomes more plausible. The Guardian and Indy (the two papers I've looked at in the last week or so) have been transparently and disgracefully in step with the Westminster/City of London line.

I shouldn't be surprised, and I guess I'm not. But even so

 

[ddraig]

great video thanks!
standing ovation
"more of the same, more of the shame"

 

[Spymaster]

Lynsey needs to get a life. And charge her/his phone.

 

[teuchter]

So we now have a situation where it's a choice between an independence settlement or something, maybe, we don't know what or, actually (despite the "timetable"), when.

Sorry, this is going back a bit, but while the recent "pledge" doesn't seem to offer anything concrete, it remains true that extra powers from the 2012 act such as setting income tax rate would come into play following a no vote, doesn't it?

 

[Quartz]

 

[Quartz]

The Guardian and Indy (the two papers I've looked at in the last week or so) have been transparently and disgracefully in step with the Westminster/City of London line.

You must have missed articles like these in the Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-in-scotland-most-dangerous-thing-of-all-hope

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/02/scots-independence-england-scotland

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/16/voting-yes-scots-courage-decide-own-future

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...da-wants-scotland-vote-yes-end-of-britishness

etc.

 

[butchersapron]

Three comment pieces - where opposing views to the dominant one of the paper are invited to present a case (one of them about canada) - and a letter rather than an article. Their official stance is NO - and that's what is reflected in the flavour of their actual news reporting rather than the light-comment pieces that are web-only (i think).

 

[Diamond]

Maybe their official stance is no because that reflects the editor's considered opinion?

Or is that a completely bonkers idea?

This whole event is starting to veer ever more into conspiraloon territory. If Scotland does become independent and if the post-independence settlement causes Scotland's economy to tank in the short to medium term, as seems likely from the economic analysis that I've looked at, what are the chances that that will be blamed on a London/Westminster conspiracy by the political leaders who pushed for independence north of the border?

 

[ddraig]

ah Quartz crawls out from under its rock!
still no apology or evidence of claims?

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe their official stance is no because that reflects the editor's considered opinion?

Or is that a completely bonkers idea?

This whole event is starting to veer ever more into conspiraloon territory. If Scotland does become independent and if the post-independence settlement causes Scotland's economy to tank in the short to medium term, as seems likely from the economic analysis that I've looked at, what are the chances that that is blamed on a London/Westminster conspiracy by the political leaders who pushed for independence north of the border?

Is it really too much for you to imagine that a considered opinion cannot be influenced by or formed from sympathy and agreement with westminister and the city of london? That a series of close relationships from the professional to the personal, from the political to the economic - that network of shared interests is precisely what lies behind that considered opinion?

Ah, another of diamonds famous economic predictions! The Euro is dead by the end of the week - that was a cracker.

 

[ddraig]

just seen the NF Scotland banner, can't copy off phone!

says
"A YES vote means
More Mosques
More Temples
More Immigration

VOTE NO IN 2014"

 

[DotCommunist]

who has temples? theres synagouge, mosque, church, shrine. Wheres the temples (other than the sides of the head)