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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
Silas Loom said:
Just out of interest, and apologies if this is covered properly elsewhere in the thread, but is there any obvious reason why Urban is so out of step with the rest of Scotland on independence? A two thirds majority here, and even one third in favour in the country as a whole would be a huge relief to Salmond. Why?
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Because the chances are not all the voters above are even scottish. Meant to write this days ago but been busy/forgot.
 
See it?? I've just shared it :D

For danny's benefit it's a photo of a wickerman and they've invited Dave fae no10 to come check it out :D
I can only c&p the writing
Highlands Extend Open Invite to Prime Minister David Cameron

David Cameron, regarded by some as one of the UK's finest Prime Ministers called David Cameron, has admitted to having little understanding or knowledge of history, culture and life in the Highlands. To address this, an open invite has been sent to number 10 asking if he would like to partake in a traditional festival later in the year. Organisers say he is guaranteed to receive a warm welcome.
 
Mason Boyne and his illustrious brothers are on the march

Orange%20Order%20protest,%20Drumcree.jpg


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/orange-order-in-no-vote-campaign.20885828

and some of the worshipful brothers are..surprise surprise..calling for them to be allowed gerrymander the vote by having their Ulster brethren with scottish ancestry ...from fucking centuries ago..to be allowed vote as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19710873


dickheads
 
Casually Red said:
Mason Boyne and his illustrious brothers are on the march

Orange%20Order%20protest,%20Drumcree.jpg


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/orange-order-in-no-vote-campaign.20885828

and some of the worshipful brothers are..surprise surprise..calling for them to be allowed gerrymander the vote by having their Ulster brethren with scottish ancestry ...from fucking centuries ago..to be allowed vote as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19710873


dickheads
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Loyalists pushing for unionism. meh, those votes are already decided...hopefully people (undecided) recognise anachronism and bigotry when they see it.

I know some think that it won't happen this time, but planting the seeds for those who come later comes first from effort. Can't fail if you don't try.
 
DexterTCN said:
Loyalists pushing for unionism. meh, those votes are already decided...hopefully people (undecided) recognise anachronism and bigotry when they see it.
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I honestly cant see how they believe the Orange Order will actually attract No voters .


I know some think that it won't happen this time, but planting the seeds for those who come later comes first from effort. Can't fail if you don't try
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as long as you keep trying youll get there eventually
 
Casually Red said:
I honestly cant see how they believe the Orange Order will actually attract No voters ...
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The OO in some parts of Scotland is like the Catholic Church in some parts of (wherever)...it's a social thing...sadly driven by concepts akin to those of jehovah's witnesses which are ridiculous and driven by seperatism (ironically) and a feeling of superiority....both of which are typical Scots traits mind but never mind...where was I?
 
so then scots folk, what would your feelings be if you do go for independence for northern English counties to have the option to decide to go with you rather than sticking with London as our rulers.

I mean let's face it, the rest of us will be fucked if you go as we'll end up being ruled by southern tories far more often without your MPs in parliament, and I for one don't really fancy that prospect.
 
free spirit said:
the rest of us will be fucked if you go as we'll end up being ruled by southern tories far more often without your MPs in parliament, and I for one don't really fancy that prospect.
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That's not true, though, as has been pointed out several times during the thread. The thing to remember is that Scotland only returns a tiny proportion of the UK's MPs; in 2015, the number of Scottish MPs will be 52 out of 600. That's 8.66%. And although Scotland only returned one Tory last time, not all of its other MPs are Labour: there are also SNP and Lib Dems. Indeed, those Lib Dems actually contributed to putting David Cameron into number 10 last time.

When Blair came to power in 1997, his majority was 179. Without Scottish MPs he'd still have had his majority (even if all of Scotland’s MPs were Labour, which they weren't).

Here are the stats again:

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/
 
free spirit said:
so then scots folk, what would your feelings be if you do go for independence for northern English counties to have the option to decide to go with you rather than sticking with London as our rulers.

I mean let's face it, the rest of us will be fucked if you go as we'll end up being ruled by southern tories far more often without your MPs in parliament, and I for one don't really fancy that prospect.
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Labour would still have won three of the last four general elections if the vote had been England only
 
JTG said:
Labour would still have won three of the last four general elections if the vote had been England only
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And Labour still lost the last one even with Scottish MPs. Indeed, the Scottish Lib Dem MPs contribute to the coalition.
 
Can a common programme provide a progressive vision for Yes campaigners? By Ken Ferguson

Few trade unionists for example seriously believe that UK Labour would restore trade union rights under a Miliband government just as they didn’t under Blair and Brown and for Scots a Yes vote looks like an increasingly serious alternative.

If those who back independence from a radical perspective are able to translate their desire for change into a coherent Red/Green policy programme putting concrete proposals into the debate not only would they boost the campaign for a Yes vote but also start to map out the shape of a new progressive independent Scotland.
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danny la rouge said:
"An independent Scotland would leave the rest of the UK's international reputation damaged, a committee of MPs has said". BBC.
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Fecking diddums!! London/Westminster leave the Uk's international reputation damaged :rolleyes:

Casually Red The OO will not attract any no votes outside the already bigoted parts of the central belt. Imo in the N/NE they will attract yes votes. We can't be doing with that pish here :)
 
danny la rouge said:
That's not true, though, as has been pointed out several times during the thread. The thing to remember is that Scotland only returns a tiny proportion of the UK's MPs; in 2015, the number of Scottish MPs will be 52 out of 600. That's 8.66%. And although Scotland only returned one Tory last time, not all of its other MPs are Labour: there are also SNP and Lib Dems. Indeed, those Lib Dems actually contributed to putting David Cameron into number 10 last time.

When Blair came to power in 1997, his majority was 179. Without Scottish MPs he'd still have had his majority (even if all of Scotland’s MPs were Labour, which they weren't).

Here are the stats again:

http://wingsland.podgamer.com/why-labour-doesnt-need-scotland/
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well ok, that might be a bit of hyperbole, but it still leaves the tories effectively needing 52 seats less in England to get in to power, though the point about the lib dems is a fair one, I guess we'll have to see how many scottish lib dems are left after the next election to see if that was still an anti tory vote (though I think kennedy might well get a bit of a pass on that one as being the only one to vote against the coalition agreement).

Anyway, my main point is that you'll probably be getting a relatively left wing / social democratic government, so personally I'd prefer to be part of that rather than being left stuck with the 3 neoliberal parties in westminster (or UKIP) as our options.

Maybe the north of england joining scotland isn't realistic, but I reckon it's a valid concern that Westminster will end up swinging even further to the right and we'll be left to cope with the wreckage to our regional economy and social infrastructure from that. Perhaps we ought to be pushing for some form of developed regional government ourselves or something.
 
free spirit said:
well ok, that might be a bit of hyperbole, but it still leaves the tories effectively needing 52 seats less in England to get in to power,

Perhaps we ought to be pushing for some form of developed regional government ourselves or something.
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Can you not do maths?? At present Scotland has 59 MPs, that is 1 tory, 12 LD, 6 SNP so going with the rest being Labour that's 40 seats(there may be an Independent in there but tbh I can't be arsed searching). So it's 40 seats less. And tbh what the feck is the difference between the Labour and Conservative parties anyway??

Yes, perhaps you(the english in general) SHOULD be pushing for some reform. Westminster has screwed most of the UK over in favour of London but no-one seems to be doing a fecking thing about it down there. You should be pushing for PR at the very least, it seems to be working ok up here(both the LD leader and the Tory leader are list MSPs)
It is NOT Scotland's fault that some of the english have taken so long to see through their politcians. :)

If London is so big and great why shouldn't they be a city state?? That would mean the rest of the country could get on without them. I have no idea if this would work or not.
 
free spirit said:
Perhaps we ought to be pushing for some form of developed regional government ourselves or something.
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There's never been much appetite for devolution in the English regions, though, has there? A workable solution to asymmetric devolution would be a federal UK. But that train is stuck in the depot.
 
free spirit said:
so then scots folk, what would your feelings be if you do go for independence for northern English counties to have the option to decide to go with you rather than sticking with London as our rulers.

I mean let's face it, the rest of us will be fucked if you go as we'll end up being ruled by southern tories far more often without your MPs in parliament, and I for one don't really fancy that prospect.
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I can just see a headline in The "Scotsman" now screaming "Salmond plans post referendum Anschluss of Cumbria - rumours of annexation of the Mackemland also revealed"
 
free spirit said:
so then scots folk, what would your feelings be if you do go for independence for northern English counties to have the option to decide to go with you rather than sticking with London as our rulers.
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After seeing the South Shields by election result this morning no chance. UKIP can fuck the fuck off and so can those that vote for them!!
 
geminisnake said:
PS you don't have to like Salmond to believe in independence. I really wish people would get it through their thick skulls that this is NOT a political issue :facepalm:
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I don't really get what you mean it's not a "political issue"? It seems to me that it is a highly political issue, particular in terms of the reasons you give for supporting it, which seem to be mainly about magically protecting Scotland from tory governments in the future.

And by the way I am an export but would like to distance myself from any suggestion that I am from the east coast.
 
Ever heard the expression If I have to explain you won't understand?? That. It's not about the SNP or Labour, etc, it's about the country. My personal reasons may be political but not everyone's are :)

And I know you're an export and you are welcome to stay as far away from the NE as you possibly can :)
 
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