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Will you vote for independence?

Scottish independence?

  • Yes please

    Votes: 99 56.6%

  • No thanks

    Votes: 57 32.6%

  • Dont know yet

    Votes: 17 9.7%
  • Total voters
    175
Think there's loads outside Scotland, one of our biggest exports is our people! :( I tried it, didn't like it, came home :)
 
geminisnake said:
You are the exception :p I think if you add the total number of active scottish urbs that I can name I am correct. I think there may some westies in politics and football, but I'm not sure. You are the only central one afaik. Tar, weeps, me pogo, Sas, Velouria, catinthehat, Alan(letter) all E/NE and that's just the ones I can think of just now.
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Fed and equationgirl and Johnny Vodka in the west. Ich Bin Ein Mod is a westie living in the east.
 
8ball said:
Well, if you vote to leave us to our own devices with the Tories forever you're soon going to be importing people by the million.
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Please go and check the election results for the last feck knows how many years on wiki. The scots vote doesn't affect Westminster very often at all. We only have 66 MPs now, and remember not all of them are Labour.
 
geminisnake said:
Please go and check the election results for the last feck knows how many years on wiki. The scots vote doesn't affect Westminster very often at all. We only have 66 MPs now, and remember not all of them are Labour.
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Yep, Labour would have won in 1997, 2001 and 2005 on an England only poll
 
danny la rouge said:
Labour would have lost either way in 2010; with or without the Scottish MPs.
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Fair enough, I remember seeing that argument about the Tories consolidating power* if there is Scottish independence in a couple of sources I considered reliable, but I can't remember exactly where it was so it's a bit of a moot point - I thought I recalled Mark Steel saying something along these lines but I may have that wrong.

* - not that I think it's a valid argument re: independence democratically speaking
 
8ball said:
Fair enough, I remember seeing that argument about the Tories consolidating power* if there is Scottish independence in a couple of sources I considered reliable, but I can't remember exactly where it was so it's a bit of a moot point - I thought I recalled Mark Steel saying something along these lines but I may have that wrong.

* - not that I think it's a valid argument re: independence democratically speaking
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It is something that's said, but more based on perception than the hard arithmetical facts. People think that because there was only 1 Tory MP returned from Scotland that must make a different to the Westminster balance. But they forget that in 2015 (next Westminster general election), there will only be 52 Scottish MPs. And not all of those will be Labour. Last time there were 11 Lib Dems (contributing to the coalition and putting Cameron in power), 6 SNP and 1 Tory.

It's all in the link.
 
danny la rouge said:
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It's all in the link.
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Yeah, not disputing what you're saying or the contents of the link.

Might have a bit of a Google later to see if I can find where I originally read it - got a feeling it's somewhere that should have known better - might have been on the radio though...
 
Weird logic on number 10. As a new entrant to the EU (which Spain and not necessarily England would insist on,) no opt out on Schengen, or for that matter the EUro, so the rump of the UK which already has border controls with Schengen EU countries, wouldn't have border controls with Scotland on the basis that places like the Channel Islands which aren't in Schengen don't have it, whilst by the videos own admission is being dragged further to the right.

Of course, this is unchartered waters,or the unanswered questions of No 2, but it ain't just Cameron that isn't giving the answers, Barrosso head of the European Commission and van Rompuy President of EU hasn't held talks with Scotland either, yet apparently its all solved and the logical potential outcomes myths.


Also there was no election in 66, Labour won a 13 seat majority in 64, and had a majority of 4 in 74.

Having put SNP FSA into they work for you, the idea of a Scottish Central Bank was not considered til after the collpase of HBOS
 
I know these pro-Yes blogs:

http://nationalcollective.com/
("Artists and creatives for Scottish Independence").


http://wingsoverscotland.com/
(edited and maintained by Rev. Stuart Campbell, a Liberal Democrat supporter of independence.)


http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/
(Mike Small, Kevin Williamson, Kate Higgins and Jamie Maxwell. Small is a social ecologist and colleague of the late Murray Bookchin, Williamson is the guy behind Rebel Inc. publishers, Higgins is a writer who also blogs as A Burdz Eye View http://burdzeyeview.wordpress.com/ ).


But other than the official Better Together site, I don't know any unionist blogs. Anyone got any links for me?
 
The BT facebook page has allegedly been getting 1000 likes a day the last wee while. Aye, ok then. I think there are a few Unionist type pages on FB, but I'd need to look, and obviously you can't see them anyway :)
 
last16 said:
You must mean the bad start I had? ;)
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Nah, I was tired and read it back and thought a sensitive flower might see it as derogatory. I am an insenstive flower and I haven't read enough of your posts to know about you :)
Bad start?? Tempted to go look now ;)

danny la rouge, just asked hubby if he knows of any no pages and he thinks it's a few footie fan pages on fb, but he'll have a look. I forget these things(to look for stuff/where my wedding ring is/my name :facepalm: )

He says there is a NL one, the truth team apparently, but you may need to register to view anything.
 
danny la rouge said:
:D
I was hoping for unofficial stuff, like Bella Cal etc. but unionist. I've tried searching, but all I get are party-led ones. Is there no spontaneous, grassroots unionism?
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I'm not being funny but ime outside football, tories and forces people I'm not sure there is. And if there is are these people online?? When was the last time you saw a young tory?? I went to a tory thing(it was a Boris thing ok, he was funny in parts) some years ago and I was definetly one of the youngest there by a good 20 yrs.

Hubby has just said how many people have you ever met that weren't in the 3 groups above that are unionists?? He's 51 and I'm 48(soon) and between us we can't think of anyone, but we've mostly lived in the NE.
 
geminisnake said:
Hubby has just said how many people have you ever met that weren't in the 3 groups above that are unionists?? He's 51 and I'm 48(soon) and between us we can't think of anyone, but we've mostly lived in the NE.
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There's lots of Labour Party unionists. But maybe you don't see them in the North East.
 
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