redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Mori have started to conduct a portion of the polling over mobiles, though they don't think it makes any difference.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8931
Will you vote for independence?
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http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/8931
DairyQueen
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Eh? Have you actually listened to Patrick Harvie or spoken to any Green campaigner. They're pretty left-wing. There's been talk of them forming a Left-Green party for some time (5 or 6 years).
DairyQueen
Well-Known Member
Anyone notice that the BBC are the only news outlet that has picked up the fact a BNP supporter was in Better Together's BBC advert?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
They've been reading your posts.
Maybe, but they also bothered to answer a query I sent them a long while ago; I sent another query at the same time to the Yes campaign and I haven't heard a squeak.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
What were they?
Some of the issues I've raised here, and one I have not asked here, about fisheries. I also asked questions about the proposed constitution.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
To BT?
Combustible
Well-Known Member
If that was a such a problem, why are the polls so often correct?
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Poor people often can't be arsed to vote in normal elections because they can't see the point. The indyref is different. I think we're going to see a big turnout and we're going to see a higher than usual proportion of voters of a lower socioeconomic status.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
The issue for Yes voters is that everyone against us is telling lies. They are pointed out and refuted every day on many websites but almost never in the normal media. The media lies about this issue all of the time.
Do you (not you, specifically) expect people to just lay down and give up? I don't give a fuck about the polls or the media. I'm not changing my vote, I'm voting Yes.
Combustible
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That doesn't explain why the polls are often correct. It is true that poor people are less likely to vote in general elections and that some polling techniques may not pick up on poorer voters. But you seem to be saying that these two things usually coincidentally cancel out to give an accurate prediction, which is massively unlikely. The reason polls can predict accurately is because these things are taken into account by polling a representative sample, which includes the right proportion of different socioeconomic groups. Anyway many pollsters including YouGov don't poll using landlines but are done online.
Well a lot of people seem to give a fuck about the polls given they seem to spend a lot of time coming up with implausible reasons why they are wrong. I don't see what good it does for supporters of independence to delude themselves about their position in the campaign.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I don't think you understand...no-one in the campaign cares if they are behind. Any exposition of why we are behind is just a shrug. It just makes us try harder and do more and say more.
We don't care that we're behind.
No, to Yes Scotland.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That's not a question, it's an observation.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I can't say I'm surprised. If I was running their campaign I'd say ignore it; it involves them putting into writing something they don't need to, and risks it being published.
Ask them it in public instead.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Not much. BT will say that Scottish astronomers "may not be allowed to look at comets" [ (c) Armando Iannucci ] or something else just as mad. BT will continue parading their giant chocolate coins with Salmond's head on them
(yes, really).
The Yes side will continue to push the message that the NHS in Scotland isn't safe as long as funding is decided by Westminster (something Unison agrees with, incidentally http://www.unison-scotland.org.uk/healthcare/).
The BBC round of the Eck/Darling debate is next week. The media will focus on whatever they think comes out of that. (Not that it's a decision about either personality, nor that anyone will learn anything one way or the other).
One thing that really disappoints me is that both sides will concentrate on the very short-term impact of independence.
Really, the currency / finance / economy argument is irrelevant. No, there won't be a currency union. Yes, the independence manifesto is somewhere between a lot of wishful thinking and a pack of lies. Yes, there will be short term hardship: I foresee a strong possibility of people like weepiper being hit hard and me losing my small local government pension. Yes, an independent Scotland will sort itself out. An independent Scotland may be richer; an independent Scotland may be poorer. We'll work it out.
'Kicking the Tories out' is irrelevant: it may take 5 years or it may take 50, but politics in an independent Scotland will eventually coalesce into a right-of-centre grouping and a left-of-centre grouping - Tories and Labour in all but name.
Oil is irrelevant in the long term. No, Scotland will not develop a sovereign wealth fund: the politicians will be too busy spending it. Yes, Scotland's oil will run out. But so will the world's oil, and we'll all be in the same boat.
A personal interest is fishing. I believe that in the long term Scottish fisheries will be much worse off as part of the EU. Scotland will simply be outvoted by the bigger fish and its fisheries divided up. Likewise Ireland's.
And speaking of oil disappearing and short-termism:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ficit-first-year-independence-ifs-oil-revenue
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ficit-first-year-independence-ifs-oil-revenue
Neither are really relevant to the independence debate.
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