Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[brogdale]

Jon Snow will never get a job from the BBC.

 

[killer b]

pompous fuck.

 

[rekil]

I watched The Face Reader the other day and I successfully deduced that Mr.Loyn is a privately educated Oxbridger. Oundle School and Christ Church Oxford as it happens.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Guardian goes (paid?) advertorial!



http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/aug/04/amir-khan-floyd-mayweather-manny-pacquiao-fight-boxing

 

[Doctor Carrot]

This is it, this is the final reason why the Guardian can go fuck itself IMO.

Referring to the Guardian's decision to run the advert, the Observer quoted an unidentified source "with knowledge of the Values Network's ad-buying practices" as saying:

"The Guardian may be left wing but they obviously believe in free speech and allowing their readers to hear the voice of a Nobel laureate about a very important issue."

But the Guardian's acceptance of an advert does not mean, of course, that it endorses the views and claims made within it.

Fuck. Right. Off.

Never using their website again if they publish it.

 

[belboid]

This is it, this is the final reason why the Guardian can go fuck itself IMO.



Fuck. Right. Off.

Never using their website again if they publish it.

unsurprisingly, that article isn't open for comments.

 

[oryx]

I always used to quite like Hadley Freeman until I read this piece of shite:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/dont-tell-me-what-think-about-Israel

 

[butchersapron]

I always used to quite like Hadley Freeman until I read this piece of shite:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/dont-tell-me-what-think-about-Israel

That link don't work for me - try this one. It's always there, just under the surface of these privately schooled oxbridge types though.

 

[teqniq]

Was she educated here though? She says she's American, I did not know this before. Not that I have an awful lot of time for privately schooled Oxbridge types either....

 

[butchersapron]

Was she educated here though? She says she's American, I did not know this before. Not that I have an awful lot of time for privately schooled Oxbridge types either....

She was at a UK private school then oxbridge. She's playing up her americanism.

 

[teqniq]

Ah ok thanks

 

[goldenecitrone]

This is it, this is the final reason why the Guardian can go fuck itself IMO.

Fuck. Right. Off.

Never using their website again if they publish it.

Amazing. Is The Guardian really deciding to go down the Sun/Hillsborough route?

 

[butchersapron]

Amazing. Is The Guardian really deciding to go down the Sun/Hillsborough route?

Ah, but they don't agree with it. They just get paid to publish it. Which is worse really. Imagine they were paid to print the Sun's lies about Hillsborough and they said yes.

 

[Theisticle]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/guardian-view-gaza-rise-antisemitism?CMP=twt_gu

I'm all for opposing anti-Semitism but this analysis is rather simplistic. For example, no mention of the far-right Jewish Defence League instigating violence in France that is causing clashes at Gaza protests.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140729-calls-mount-ban-france-violent-jewish-defence-league/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ders-ban-on-radical-jewish-group-9640776.html

There are also major caveats to the CST's data set (as alarming as it might originally read).

 

[butchersapron]

We don't endorse it, we just get paid:

Antisemitism on rise across Europe 'in worst times since the Nazis'

 

[Theisticle]

Bastards:

"The decision to run any display advertisement in the Guardian is made on a case-by-case basis and there was a full discussion about accepting the advert in question. However, the acceptance of advertising from any organisation does not equate to support or endorsement for the views expressed in that advert. The Guardian is fully committed to reporting from the Middle East and our coverage will continue to be independent and robust."

Same excuses.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...ing-Hamas-child-sacrifice-advert#.U-ilyWO6UYK

 

[Pickman's model]

Bastards:

"The decision to run any display advertisement in the Guardian is made on a case-by-case basis and there was a full discussion about accepting the advert in question. However, the acceptance of advertising from any organisation does not equate to support or endorsement for the views expressed in that advert. The Guardian is fully committed to reporting from the Middle East and our coverage will continue to be independent and robust."

Same excuses.

http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/...ing-Hamas-child-sacrifice-advert#.U-ilyWO6UYK

i think this is the point at which it's become plain that the guardian has gone down the pan

 

[Theisticle]

 

[teqniq]

lot of pissed off people on Twitter concerning this

 

[butchersapron]

Any of their employees though? Jones? Milne (He'll probably blame it on a US conspiracy)? Penny? That lot.

 

[Pickman's model]

Any of their employees though? Jones? Milne (He'll probably blame it on a US conspiracy)? Penny? That lot.

it was probably penny's idea to accept it

 

[teqniq]

Any of their employees though? Jones? Milne (He'll probably blame it on a US conspiracy)? Penny? That lot.

there is this tweet

@OwenJones84: @AsaWinstanley @deeinsidefilm @guardian @SeumasMilne I think the advert is vile and I have as much say over it as anybody else here

and this one

@SeumasMilne: @FarooqSumar @MaxBlumenthal Thanks Farooq, ad is repulsive and inflammatory

 

[butchersapron]

there is this tweet



and this one

Ah but Owen, whilst you may have as much say in it running as me or most others there are other things you could do/not do. For example writing a piece (about european anti-semitism ffs) that is published on the same day as this racist shit. Or never writing for them again. You know, a few principled stands like that.

 

[butchersapron]

This is almost as bad a crime as the racist ad they printed yesterday - could they get any more smug:



the same sort of winking are you thinking what we're thinking style as the 2005 racist tory election posters and manifesto title, and with the exact same intent. Meet people like us/keep the others away - we can do that for you.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

A friend of mine made a point that perhaps there's a deeper motive to publish the advert in that it's elicited such a huge backlash and therefore turns public opinion further against Israel. She compared it to the BBC giving the BNP a platform on question time and the aftermath of that. It's not a point beyond the realms of possibility I think but I also think it gives the Guardian way too much credit.

 

[butchersapron]

That's just crazy.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

That's just crazy.

Yeah I don't disagree. I try to see it from her point of view, a point of view that's shared by a lot of the public I think, in that the guardian is this left wing paper that challenges the status quo, speaks to power and so on. A lot of people are shocked, genuinely, by the publication of this ad. I have to say I myself was a little bit surprised that the guardian would scrape the gutter in this way. As we all know on though, the guardian are nothing like how I described them. Can't say I blame a lot of people for being shocked because this is stooping down to the level of the sun, if not lower!

 

[butchersapron]

And the thing is, this ad only made them 11 grand. There's more than commercial reasoning at play here.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Yeah it stinks. Didn't the New York Times post it too?

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah it stinks. Didn't the New York Times post it too?

Lots of papers did i think.