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Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
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Why the Guardian is going down the pan!
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Theisticle
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The Times rejected that advert. The Guardian's moral barometer is fucked.
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
This whole "New Wave of European Anti-Semitism" thing seems well dodgy to me. The figure of a 72% increase in jews emigrating for Israel from France I have seen elsewhere in the media as somewhere in the mid-30s% but my internet is running slow and I can't be arsed to check the original. But in any event the overall figure is tiny - about 3000 - compared to about 250,000 Israeli passport holders who live in the EU. I've seen some comments about there being a "new Exodus" - if that term is right, it's basically out of Israel and towards Europe. And when emigration rates to Israel are so low, many of them will be of the elderly/young relatives going to live with ageing family etc, but frankly I can't see how some at least aren't some pretty nasty politico-religious extremists who are turned on by the idea of being able to go and strut around with a machine gun in some settlement somewhere, so they ain't "fleeing" anything.
It's interesting too how the similar rise of anti-semitic activity in the USA is almost completely ignored since it doesn't fit the Hadley Freeman "Europe, your [anti-semitic] roots are showing" line - because of the generally high level of US public support for Israel.
It seems clear to me that this anti-Israel=anti-semitic thing is the new line of defence for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians, it's the last feasible bit of moral high ground that Israel-apologists have to play with.
But it means that anyone who wants to campaign against the Israeli war machine needs to be very careful with their language.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Apologies, just seen this now. I can confirm from her Twitterings that Penny has said absolutely fuck-all whatsoever about the current situation in Gaza. I mentioned elsewhere that Owen Jones spoke at the London Gaza demo last Saturday, and - surprise! - didn't mention this at all (wonder why, eh?)
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
...and, the boy Jones has just posted this comment re that Graun ad on FB:
I've not seen him do this condemnation anywhere in print, online etc, though - has anyone else here done so?
I've not seen him do this condemnation anywhere in print, online etc, though - has anyone else here done so?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What sort of people do he think reads the guardian? Does he realise what he's writing for? He's hardly Pilger in his heyday in the mirror.
That is such a backslapping pathetic response. Little own battling away in the heart of the establishment - for us. Just lost a big chunk of the goodwill i was prepared to extend to him there. Apply the same weasel-logic to hillsborough and what would we find?
That is such a backslapping pathetic response. Little own battling away in the heart of the establishment - for us. Just lost a big chunk of the goodwill i was prepared to extend to him there. Apply the same weasel-logic to hillsborough and what would we find?
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Exactly. I mean, what else is anyone to make of his stance here? At least with the Penny one, we expect content-free and principle-free waffling. But for Jones to do this, and also to speak at the London Gaza demo the day after that ad was published, knowing full well what his employers had done, is....well.....
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What would the masses who rely on the guardian do if Jones were to resign - the results simply don't bear thinking about. It would almost be game over. Owen must stay! I feel a campaign coming on.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
A campaign run by Penny too, no doubt (Oh God, I bet that scenario would actually happen too..."We are all Owen Jones!" etc)
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think this may be one that PD could make all the running on as it goes. Nice little sarcastic stab in the back where everyone can see.
Yep. It's playing out just as many anti-Zionist Jews said it would 60 years ago. I've just been reading the diaries of Victor Klemperer: a Jew living under the Nazis. He has absolutely no doubts about equating Zionism with Nazism, he makes the parallel repeatedly and vehemently. Which considering where and who he was is really saying something.
The Pale King
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Does he discuss Zionism in the final (chronological) volume of diaries (The Lesser Evil)?
rekil
to menny cranks
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Can you get a screenshot of that?
I haven't got to that one yet, just finished the first volume.
Interesting life he had, a real man of the Enlightenment, and one of the last.
rekil
to menny cranks
Applauding OJ's refusal to be dragged off the bridge to rock the boat while congratulating Warsi (who we can neither confirm nor deny is a deep cover PD militant) for resigning and causing quite the stir would be multitudinous positionism par excellence.
The Pale King
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Cheers, I'll seek them out
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Fozzie Bear
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Establishment and radicals unite to demand Owen Jones purges himself from the mainstream media.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Ideally we have the establishment demanding he purge himself and radicals that we rely on him so he must stay.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or, better put, the establishment demand that he act on his principles and the trials that he refuses to.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
He could write his articles in the Guardian for free, thus being able to get his message out there, whilst making some form of protest. After all, if his only motive for working for them is political and making sure his radical voice is heard, he won't care a jot about the money.
He could either refuse his fee or pass on the cash to a relevant Gaza charity.
It's a perfect solution I'm sure he can't wait to endorse.
He could either refuse his fee or pass on the cash to a relevant Gaza charity.
It's a perfect solution I'm sure he can't wait to endorse.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
...and here's the boy Jones in "Guardian ad? What Guardian ad?" mode at the London Gaza demo*:
*I ran out of bloody water at this point of the speeches
e2a: I wasn't wrong about him using his phone for his speech!
*I ran out of bloody water at this point of the speeches
e2a: I wasn't wrong about him using his phone for his speech!
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
I covered this up-thread, as it goes, following Fozzie making the same point as yourself.
e2a: Whoops, apols killer b, it was in another thread I covered this on: Urban v's the Commentariat
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goldenecitrone
post tenebras lux
Owen can save the without notes stuff until he's leader of the Labour party.
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Have liked yr post - not out of winding you up etc - but, well, you and Fozzie B make a fair point, and it would be churlish of me not to acknowledge it!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I see his trajectory as more of that of the Toynbee kind, no safeseat for the check shirted one
Afford a phone, can he? Alright for some innit.
I'm sure a few hundred Gazan infants could eat for a month for the price of his so-called "phone."
If he had a single shred of decency he'd auction it on e-bay and send the proceeds to me so I can donate them to Hamas.
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