Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[andysays]

The only thing I know about Haringey is its famous ladder

That's the Harringay Ladder

 

[Orang Utan]

That's the Harringay Ladder

The One That Got Away lived on one of the rungs. <wistful sigh>

 

[PTK]

You've managed to confuse yourself, I'm afraid.

What you should have written is that Harringay is in Haringey.

I lived and worked in said borough for a few years, and was ignorant of the fact that the former word contained a double "r". I am stupid.

 

[PTK]

I had never heard of the Ladder. I have not been to that area for nearly 40 years. I now feel like I want to go again. Thanks be to The Guardian.

 

[stavros]

In an editorial advocating Michelle Mone being chucked out of the House of Lords, absolutely nothing about getting rid of the whole sorry edifice and bringing the UK into the twentieth (sic) century.

 

[petee]

noted Trump voter, habitual cheater and general dickhead Kelsey Grammer

 

[Elpenor]

UK property sales and demand well up on a year ago, survey finds

Zoopla says December’s figures have been boosted by an increase in the number of homes for sale

www.theguardian.com

the capital, prices were up 0.3% in the City while Croydon, Bromley and Woking posted the biggest price declines, of 3.5%, 3.4% and 2.8% respectively.

Woking has obviously moved if it’s now part of London.

 

[kabbes]

UK property sales and demand well up on a year ago, survey finds

Zoopla says December’s figures have been boosted by an increase in the number of homes for sale

www.theguardian.com

Woking has obviously moved if it’s now part of London.

That article also just parrots the line about sales in December being 17% higher than last year without taking a step back to think about what it means. December is traditionally a month of very, very few sales. That makes the sales figures volatile in % terms. If sales were delayed and a relatively small proportion of the ones that would normally complete in November got pushed back a few weeks, it would totally distort the December numbers. Similarly, if some houses didn’t sell in November and were kept on the market in December (rather than taken off, as is usual), the number for sale would be higher than usual. That’s why you would only normally look at sales over a longer time period than just a month.

 

[Dystopiary]

Ridiculous headline. And I know the writer won't have come up with that but the article is a shit "analysis" anyway.

Cocaine has gone mainstream in Britain & Gen X is to blame

 

[brogdale]

Now this is top notch; only the Guardian could illustrate how buoyant Croydon is ( as a film set location) with an image of a now demolished part of our town that has, needlessly, lain in ruins for years now.

 

[Sue]

Now this is top notch; only the Guardian could illustrate how buoyant Croydon is ( as a film set location) with an image of a now demolished part of our town that has, needlessly, lain in ruins for years now.

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So bloody picky.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Epstein court files damage Prince Andrew’s hopes of restoring reputation

Accusations including the groping of a woman’s breast and underage sex are given fresh airing in documents

www.theguardian.com

Really identifying what matters here.

 

[stavros]

An editorial on Reform UK (previously The Brexit Party and UKIP), opines that it's "a tiny outfit whose influence in Westminster is amplified out of all proportion to its single-digit poll rating".

Great, so let's give them more airtime.

 

[Orang Utan]

 

[May Kasahara]

That's up there with this for most utterly pointless space-filling drivel of the month.

How do you bring your spiritual self to your job and make sure you are doing more good than harm? | Philosophy | The Guardian

According to some major religions, work is a crucial arena for spiritual connection

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Silas Loom]

That's up there with this for most utterly pointless space-filling drivel of the month.

How do you bring your spiritual self to your job and make sure you are doing more good than harm? | Philosophy | The Guardian

According to some major religions, work is a crucial arena for spiritual connection

amp.theguardian.com

The Buddhist Eightfold Path includes “right livelihood”, which states that people should avoid certain forms of work, including traffic in people, weapons and poison.

Good stance on recruitment consultancy.

 

[Raheem]

People will actually click on this.

 

[stdP]

It's technically from the Observer but is worthy of Dr. Jazzz.

‘It only takes one to be real and it changes humanity for ever’: what if we’ve been lied to about UFOs?

The continuing lack of transparency about UFOs in the US is causing concern not only about the existence of aliens but about the psychological fallout of uncovering a conspiracy

www.theguardian.com

 

[kabbes]

It's technically from the Observer but is worthy of Dr. Jazzz.

‘It only takes one to be real and it changes humanity for ever’: what if we’ve been lied to about UFOs?

The continuing lack of transparency about UFOs in the US is causing concern not only about the existence of aliens but about the psychological fallout of uncovering a conspiracy

www.theguardian.com

The reason it only takes one alien to be real for it to change everything is the same reason that it only takes one ghost to be real or one Loch Ness monster or one vampire. If things aren’t real and then they are real then yes, that’s a big deal. Because, you know, not real.

 

[brogdale]

The reason it only takes one alien to be real for it to change everything is the same reason that it only takes one ghost to be real or one Loch Ness monster or one vampire. If things aren’t real and then they are real then yes, that’s a big deal. Because, you know, not real.

But...I want to believe (the Guardian)

Has there ever been a 'believe'/not thread about UFOs on here?

 

[Orang Utan]

But...I want to believe (the Guardian)

Has there ever been a 'believe'/not thread about UFOs on here?

You’d have to ask a different question cos probably everyone has seen a UFO

 

[andysays]

You’d have to ask a different question cos probably everyone has seen a UFO

I haven't

 

[TopCat]

I haven't

Every flying object sighted in your life identified?

 

[gosub]

From the source of the Thames, to Leigh on-Sea, all of London will be free.

Think you are playing monopoly wrong

 

[andysays]

Every flying object sighted in your life identified?

I've seen flying objects in my life which I haven't definitively identified, but that isn't the same, IMO, as "seeing a UFO".

 

[Serge Forward]

I've seen flying objects in my life which I haven't definitively identified, but that isn't the same, IMO, as "seeing a UFO".

There are no UFOs, it's all UAPs now (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena)

 

[Silas Loom]

The reason it only takes one alien to be real for it to change everything is the same reason that it only takes one ghost to be real or one Loch Ness monster or one vampire. If things aren’t real and then they are real then yes, that’s a big deal. Because, you know, not real.

Surely they are completely different. Alien life should be taken for granted, given that the number of exoplanets in the observable universe is of a similar order of magnitude to the number of stars.

Alien life which is capable of interstellar travel and which considers our planet worth the hassle of exploratory visits is however extremely unlikely. But it’s not logically impossible in the way that ghosts and vampires and other undead entities are logically impossible if the terms “alive” and “dead” are meaningful (and mutually exclusive). Ghosts and vampires are an affront to good sense.

I’d be happy to bracket cryptozoological entities, including the LNM, alongside alien visitors as extremely implausible but not nonsensical. Which means that evidence of their existence wouldn’t “change everything” in the way that a transmurally ambulant ghost would.

 

[Orang Utan]

I've seen flying objects in my life which I haven't definitively identified, but that isn't the same, IMO, as "seeing a UFO".

Yes it is. It’s a flying object that you havent identified.

 

[andysays]

There are no UFOs, it's all UAPs now (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena)

I've never seen one of them either

 

[kabbes]

Surely they are completely different. Alien life should be taken for granted, given that the number of exoplanets in the observable universe is of a similar order of magnitude to the number of stars.

Alien life which is capable of interstellar travel and which considers our planet worth the hassle of exploratory visits is however extremely unlikely. But it’s not logically impossible in the way that ghosts and vampires and other undead entities are logically impossible if the terms “alive” and “dead” are meaningful (and mutually exclusive). Ghosts and vampires are an affront to good sense.

I’d be happy to bracket cryptozoological entities, including the LNM, alongside alien visitors as extremely implausible but not nonsensical. Which means that evidence of their existence wouldn’t “change everything” in the way that a transmurally ambulant ghost would.

I don’t know. Extending the plausible idea of alien life through the myriad layers needed to get to the point of believing that:

• it is so incredibly technologically advanced that it has flown unknowable distances in unknowable ways
• and found this speck of a planet to approach, but
• for some reason has died, and
• been found but covered up by the same incompetent governments that can’t keep a simple leaving party secret
• for decades after decades

Stretches plausibility at least as far as the idea that there might be something we don’t know yet about the laws of entropy that causes ghosts. Or, to put it another way, past any kind of plausibility