Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[Pickman's model]

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That's a minute or two you wasted finding that image. There's no argument here. It's a simple fact that Haringey is not and never has been an inner london borough.

 

[Orang Utan]

That's a minute or two you wasted finding that image. There's no argument here. It's a simple fact that Haringey is not and never has been an inner london borough.

20 seconds. You're very welcome

 

[ouirdeaux]

for most purposes, 'inner london' is (with minor tinkering at the edges) the area of the 1889 london county council - the area north of the river is much smaller than south of the river, covering the current boroughs of (from the west) hammersmith + fulham, kensington + chelsea, westminster, camden, islington, hackney, tower hamlets.

before 1889, all of these except the 'square mile' city of london were in middlesex (south london was either surrey or kent.)

today's haringey borough was in middlesex until 1965, and places east of the river lea (canning town, stratford and so on) were in essex.

south of the river, the LCC area extended out to include current lambeth, southwark, lewisham and greenwich boroughs, so goes out to places like plumstead, abbey wood and crystal palace.

i'm sure it all made sense in 1889

The Office for National Statistics and Eurostat define Inner London differently. They include Haringey and Newham, but not Greenwich. So everyone's right, or wrong, depending on how you look at it.

 

[danny la rouge]

The Office for National Statistics and Eurostat define Inner London differently. They include Haringey and Newham, but not Greenwich. So everyone's right, or wrong, depending on how you look at it.

Potato potato.

 

[shambler]

IDF says Israeli hostages it killed in Gaza were bare chested and waving white flag

Revelation increases unease about Netanyahu’s indiscriminate conduct of military campaign and anger of hostage families

www.theguardian.com

I don't understand how anyone can write an article with this headline that doesn't once explicitly question the attitude and tactics of the Israeli soldiers - and crucially how this attitude contributes to the killing of Palestinian civilians. I understand that it is implied, but that is not enough. To frame this as an Israeli political issue rather than an example of base IDF brutality, and to fail to connect an incident like this with the civilian casualties says a lot about the editorial position of the paper.

 

[shambler]

Actually, I'd go further. Even the headline is obfuscatory and confusingly worded. It should simply state "IDF kills its own citizens", but it can't, because that would be making the situation too clear.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Office for National Statistics and Eurostat define Inner London differently. They include Haringey and Newham, but not Greenwich. So everyone's right, or wrong, depending on how you look at it.

https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/lbh_community_infrastructure_study_2010.pdf

you'd expect haringey to know if they're inner or outer london. and eurostat? really?

 

[Rob Ray]

Case of formal definitions lagging the practical one tbh. It has vastly more in common with inner boroughs than outer ones.

 

[ouirdeaux]

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https://www.haringey.gov.uk/sites/haringeygovuk/files/lbh_community_infrastructure_study_2010.pdf

you'd expect haringey to know if they're inner or outer london. and eurostat? really?

Go argue with the Office for National Statistics. Preferably for the rest of your life.

 

[Pickman's model]

Go argue with the Office for National Statistics. Preferably for the rest of your life

that's a really shit post, ignoring that there are or have been mayoral funds available to inner london boroughs outer london ones don't receive. The ons may lump haringey in with the likes of hackney but that doesn't butter any parsnips

 

[PTK]

Potato potato.

According to the ONS, Greater London Urban Area includes St Albans.

 

[danny la rouge]

According to the ONS, Greater London Urban Area includes St Albans.

 

[PTK]

So, if we are to accept the ONS classing Haringey as inner London, the we have to accept St Albans as part of London.

 

[two sheds]

Historically Taunton is a part of Minehead already!

 

[danny la rouge]

So, if we are to accept the ONS classing Haringey as inner London, the we have to accept St Albans as part of London.

Honestly have no idea what any of this is about. Are they on the Monopoly board?

 

[Pickman's model]

Honestly have no idea what any of this is about. Are they on the Monopoly board?

There is no the monopoly board. There are loads of monopoly boards, I've a grimsby one for example.

 

[danny la rouge]

There is no the monopoly board. There are loads of monopoly boards, I've a grimsby one for example.

Aye, they’re not on the Grimsby board but.

 

[Pickman's model]

So, if we are to accept the ONS classing Haringey as inner London, the we have to accept St Albans as part of London.

Lies damned lies and statistics

 

[ouirdeaux]

Statistically, you're human, but not in any meaningful sense of the word.

 

[Lurdan]

The ONS are just functionaries of neoliberalism - why should we accept their definitions? I don't want to rub it in but every sensible person knows that London's southern border is the north bank of the Thames. Yet they persist in defining Metropolitan Kent and Metropolitan Surrey as part of London. Ridiculous.

 

[PTK]

The ONS are just functionaries of neoliberalism - why should we accept their definitions? I don't want to rub it in but every sensible person knows that London's southern border is the north bank of the Thames. Yet they persist in defining Metropolitan Kent and Metropolitan Surrey as part of London. Ridiculous.

I thought that London was part of Greater Brighton.

 

[Pickman's model]

Statistically, you're human, but not in any meaningful sense of the word.

You seem to be invested in this beyond any reasonable bounds if you're going to come out with bollocks like that

 

[ouirdeaux]

Christ, you're a bore.

 

[brogdale]

The ONS are just functionaries of neoliberalism - why should we accept their definitions? I don't want to rub it in but every sensible person knows that London's southern border is the north bank of the Thames. Yet they persist in defining Metropolitan Kent and Metropolitan Surrey as part of London. Ridiculous.

Er...this may challenge your Nordcentric, metropolitan attitude?

Exploring Kent, North of the River...

Yes, really....although I have to admit that modern types tend to insist that it's part of London Borough of Newham now.:rolleyes: Howsomedever...the Brogdales decided to go out East and have a bit of a wander around part of Section 15 of the Capital Ring largely as we've finally sussed out the...

www.urban75.net

 

[Puddy_Tat]

the metropolitan borough of woolwich's first council 'estate' was north of the river

 

[planetgeli]

Honestly have no idea what any of this is about. Are they on the Monopoly board?

There is only one location on the Monopoly board of London that is south of the river.

 

[brogdale]

There is only one location on the Monopoly board of London that is south of the river.

Capitalists' world view of the people's part of the conurbation

 

[Elpenor]

There is only one location on the Monopoly board of London that is south of the river.

I feel like I need to unleash my inner pickers Pickman's model here and say that that it depends which river you’re referring to.

No parts of London are south of the river Nile for example

 

[PTK]

I feel like I need to unleash my inner pickers Pickman's model here and say that that it depends which river you’re referring to.

No parts of London are south of the river Nile for example

From the source of the Thames, to Leigh on-Sea, all of London will be free.

 

[brogdale]

Anyway, parts of our conurbation that are South of the Thames are actually far further North than many of those fancy-pants places that reckon they're in North London.

Everyone knows that Tripcock Ness in Woolwich is North of Docklands, Poplar, Limehouse, Shadwell, Trafalgar Square, Mayfair, Notting Hill, Shepherds Bush, Acton and Ealing.