Why the Guardian is going down the pan!

[equationgirl]

Calm down lads, it's only language

Yeah, you try dealing with regular insults about your gender on a regular basis throughput your adult life then tell me how fucking funny it is

 

[Sue]

Calm down lads, it's only language

And BOOM!

 

[equationgirl]

I also can't help but feel that men telling women what is/is not gender neutral/problematic isn't a great look.

Men dismissing women's opinions on the topic shocker.

 

[JTG]

I mean, it's used this way by quite a few people of all genders, especially in Ireland for example. Go argue with them, I'm only reporting the facts here

 

[SpookyFrank]

I usually say 'folks' is that OK? Dunno if it's a gender thing or what but 'guys' grates on me and 'lads' just makes me think of loud, unpleasant males in short-sleeved shirts.

 

[BillRiver]

Sigh... Discussions like this are always handy for helping me identify the wankiest shits amongst any lads taking part.

(That's not aimed at you, SpookyFrank, by the way).

 

[BillRiver]

I usually say 'folks' is that OK? Dunno if it's a gender thing or what but 'guys' grates on me and 'lads' just makes me think of loud, unpleasant males in short-sleeved shirts.

Of course folks is fine, why wouldn't it be?

 

[JTG]

I usually say 'folks' is that OK? Dunno if it's a gender thing or what but 'guys' grates on me and 'lads' just makes me think of loud, unpleasant males in short-sleeved shirts.

It's interesting to me that several times I've mentioned the difference in usage in Ireland and this has been ignored. Imperialist mindset imo

 

[SpookyFrank]

Of course folks is fine, why wouldn't it be?

I have no social skills and generally work on the assumption that anything I might say or think of saying is somehow wrong.

 

[JTG]

Of course folks is fine, why wouldn't it be?

It's OK if you want to refer to twee faerie types but you really need something stronger for normal people. Lads for eg

 

[BillRiver]

It's interesting to me that several times I've mentioned the difference in usage in Ireland and this has been ignored. Imperialist mindset imo

Maybe it's just not that interesting, relevant, or even true?

 

[BillRiver]

It's OK if you want to refer to twee faerie types but you really need something stronger for normal people. Lads for eg

It's ok you have identified yourself quite clearly already, you can stop now.

 

[Sue]

It's interesting to me that several times I've mentioned the difference in usage in Ireland and this has been ignored. Imperialist mindset imo

Well given the vast majority of us aren't Irish or in Ireland, it doesn't feel specially relevant.

Anyway, you're either an idiot, on a windup or both so whatever.

 

[JTG]

It's ok you have identified yourself quite clearly already, you can stop now.

Reckon?

 

[JTG]

Well given the vast majority of us aren't Irish or in Ireland, it doesn't feel specially relevant.

Anyway, you're either an idiot, on a windup or both so whatever.

QED. Usage of English outwith Britain not interesting or important to you

 

[BillRiver]

Yawn...

 

[equationgirl]

It's interesting to me that several times I've mentioned the difference in usage in Ireland and this has been ignored. Imperialist mindset imo

It's not an imperialist mindset. It's great that it's fine to use in Ireland. But I am not in Ireland.

 

[JTG]

It's not an imperialist mindset. It's great that it's fine to use in Ireland. But I am not in Ireland.

My Scouse mate says she reckons it's fine there as well

 

[equationgirl]

Also, two women have said

My Scouse mate says she reckons it's fine there as well

Also not there.

 

[equationgirl]

Plus given they're your mates it's a bit of a self selecting group.

 

[BillRiver]

My Scouse mate says she reckons it's fine there as well

My scouse mate says it isn't, and your scouse mate would be at risk of having their face rearranged if they tried it on in the company of most of the scouse women I ever met.

Same with the many Irish women I know.

 

[equationgirl]

Look, two women have said they have a problem with 'lads' for a mixed gender group. Don't you see that you pushing your opinion that 'lads' is fine is problematic?

 

[JTG]

Should I ask people who aren't generally wildly left wing feminists then? Because that's who I'm talking to

 

[JTG]

My scouse mate says it isn't, and your scouse mate would be at risk of having their face rearranged if they tried it on in the company of most of the scouse women I ever met.

Same with the many Irish women I know.

lol

 

[BillRiver]

Should I ask people who aren't generally wildly left wing feminists then? Because that's who I'm talking to

Be a good lad now and fuck off.

 

[JTG]

Fuck off.

Why? I'm not gonna. I've done so every so often in the 18 years I've posted here but never because some potty mouthed hardman told me to

 

[JTG]

Look, two women have said they have a problem with 'lads' for a mixed gender group. Don't you see that you pushing your opinion that 'lads' is fine is problematic?

Nah, it's fine fella

 

[two sheds]

'lads' just makes me think of loud, unpleasant males in short-sleeved shirts.

that's the edge of what I was aiming for because the discussion/argument was between three or four? males and it seemed somewhat pointless so I was trying to calm things down. However apologies, I didn't intend offence and I'll avoid the term in future.

 

[Santino]

Nah, it's fine fella

What are you trying to achieve?

 

[JTG]

What are you trying to achieve?

Passing the time, same as anyone else here I guess. You?