why the bbc is going down the pan

[weltweit]

anyone posted this yet?

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/end-the-bbc-licence-fee

Quite an interesting text on that page.
As it happens I do watch read and listen to the BBC so I suppose I should pay something for it, but I am not sure I should be paying as a condition for being able to watch other channels funded by advertising.

And when I see BBC stars warning about the risk to the national fabric of discussing the licence fee, I can't help but think what a nice arrangement they have, being so well paid by Aunty Beeb as most of them are.

 

[NoXion]

Anyone see that god-awful article about laibach going to north korea?,

No?

 

[frogwoman]

No?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33530538 here

 

[DotCommunist]

after hearing that racket DPRK will be once more closing its borders to all foriegn music

 

[NoXion]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33530538 here

I'm not too familiar with Laibach, although I like a couple of their songs.

Stupid question time; what was especially bad about that article? Apart from the usual BBC shitness, I mean.

 

[butchersapron]

You know what, i know what Laibach are up to and have always defended them and their activity. But i've spend the last 3 months reading every single thing i can find to with the the new european right (that's the far right centred around de benoist and the evolian tradition - the we're not real racists, we're just cultural separatist right) - and they keep cropping up writing for them, appearing in their events, hanging around with 'white advocate' scumbag artists like Charles Krafft. Is that the sort of thing they mean by questioning symbols? That's surely closing down the distance need to do that oh so ironic questioning.

 

[frogwoman]

I havent kept up to date. Thats grim. Anything i can read on that?

 

[butchersapron]

I havent kept up to date. Thats grim.

The last of those is recent - the other stuff, this was in the 90s and 2000s. That former stuff could possibly be defended as getting these goons to unwittingly place laibach's questions about them at the centre of their events or journals - but hanging around with Charles Krafft in this day and age, getting pissed up with him no less and having a rip roaring time, nah.

 

[J Ed]

The BBC have uncritically adopted the government's doublespeak use of 'living wage' as an editorial standard. In this story they are reporting on IKEA committing to pay the actual living wage which they describe as being higher than the living wage by which they of course mean the bullshit term for the sub-living wage that has been renamed.

 

[DotCommunist]

Just a state mouthpiece- and example of the sheer lies they are happy to peddle while pretending to be journos was reminded to me by an article I just read- ukraines invisible nazis, behind the reporter, waving the wolfs hook flags. Pro-EU demonstrators apparently

 

[Dogsauce]

Piss-poor reporting on the Welfare bill voting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33604287

Of the 53 Labour MPs first elected to Parliament in May, 18 opposed the bill.

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said things could not be much worse for Labour, with a fifth of the party openly defying the leadership and many more "deeply unhappy".
(...)
The vote showed about half of the new intake were "well to the left of the mainstream", which tells us that the gravitational pull of the party is not back to the centre, but to the left, he added.

Erm, 18/53 is a tiny bit over a third, which means nearly two thirds didn't rebel against their leader and didn't have the fucking spine to stand up against a bill designed to screw people over.

Plus you can fuck right off with that 'to the left of the mainstream' shit, who decides what the mainstream is? The shitting lib dems voted against it ffs.

 

[DotCommunist]

so along with the tories redefining child poverty we've got these cunts at the bbc breakfast 'news' giving repeated airtime to a senior copper from surrey informing the nation that 1 in five beggars aren't genuine (what he means is one in five aren't registered homeless- I never was. Didn't even know that was a thing till later years). He also verbatim repeated that old lie about how some beggars earn up to 150 quid a week. Basically these cunts are starting the demonisation of poverty- no doubt thinking ahead to what osbournes HB cuts will do to the youth homelessness rates. Charities are getting regular bashings in the Mail as well, largely for fat catism and so on, but the unerlying theme is to discredit charities because they are outspoken about the effects of austerity.

 

[Pickman's model]

so along with the tories redefining child poverty we've got these cunts at the bbc breakfast 'news' giving repeated airtime to a senior copper from surrey informing the nation that 1 in five beggars aren't genuine (what he means is one in five aren't registered homeless- I never was. Didn't even know that was a thing till later years). He also verbatim repeated that old lie about how some beggars earn up to 150 quid a week. Basically these cunts are starting the demonisation of poverty- no doubt thinking ahead to what osbournes HB cuts will do to the youth homelessness rates. Charities are getting regular bashings in the Mail as well, largely for fat catism and so on, but the unerlying theme is to discredit charities because they are outspoken about the effects of austerity.

never mind some beggars earning up to £150 a week (some, note) what about the rather larger number of police officers coining it in on spurious overtime? £150 won't get you far in a week all found, and you don't get a nice little pension after 30 years of begging.

 

[J Ed]

so along with the tories redefining child poverty we've got these cunts at the bbc breakfast 'news' giving repeated airtime to a senior copper from surrey informing the nation that 1 in five beggars aren't genuine (what he means is one in five aren't registered homeless- I never was. Didn't even know that was a thing till later years). He also verbatim repeated that old lie about how some beggars earn up to 150 quid a week. Basically these cunts are starting the demonisation of poverty- no doubt thinking ahead to what osbournes HB cuts will do to the youth homelessness rates. Charities are getting regular bashings in the Mail as well, largely for fat catism and so on, but the unerlying theme is to discredit charities because they are outspoken about the effects of austerity.

Glad I didn't see that. Reporting like that is so dangerous, it's going to translate into people getting their heads kicked in, isn't it?

 

[J Ed]

never mind some beggars earning up to £150 a week (some, note) what about the rather larger number of police officers coining it in on spurious overtime? £150 won't get you far in a week all found, and you don't get a nice little pension after 30 years of begging.

I bet that they are talking about beggars in London as well, yeah £150 a week is going to go far in London...

 

[DotCommunist]

Glad I didn't see that. Reporting like that is so dangerous, it's going to translate into people getting their heads kicked in, isn't it?

my old dear made the point to me that its likely to just help reinforce that old 'don't give them anything they'll only spent it on drug/alcohol' trope that the selfish wealthy use to justify their innate desire to treat people in poverty as untermensh, and in the same breath she made a point I had never considered before- those of us one or two rungs above the homeless man know only too well how easy it is to fall and what conditions down there are like, hence we give more readily. All this 'fake beggars on masses of money a week' schtick is just another attempt to paint the poorest and most vulnerable as chancers, shysters, people of bad character in their situation through devious choice or moral failure. Fuck the beeb.

 

[J Ed]

God the BBC is shit

Every time Trump says something outrageous, or pokes a rival in the eye, so his popularity goes up.
And for Labour Party activists who have never really liked the whole, tedious governing thing and being in power (far too compromising) Corbyn is perfect.
Let's bring back maintenance grants and get rid of student loans? Easy. We'll whack up corporation tax or hit the rich with massively higher personal taxes.
Stop those thieving Mexicans crossing the Rio Grande? Simple - we'll build a giant wall all along the border...and you know what else we'll do - we'll charge the Mexican government for building it (quite why the Mexican government would foot the bill no-one has quite explained, but hey).
It seems we are in the age of the politics of simplicity.

...

Though Trump and Corbyn are from different political planets, what they offer is reassurance to those who feel angry and alienated (and there are a lot of them out there).
Critics would say what they are offering is simple solutions to thorny problems. But it is resonating. Nuance, detail and complexity seem to be so last year.

Taxing the rich at a level which was common across the Western world until very recently is basically the same as common garden racist anti-immigration sentiment. Of course 'nuance', 'detail' and 'complexity' are just synonyms for 'slightly convoluted justification for wealth transfer from the poor to the rich'.

When elections come it seems that the electorate reaches an unhappy conclusion that life is difficult, and that they will reluctantly back the party that they think offer the best hope in difficult circumstances.
The Tories didn't win a majority because people were going to the polls saying 'I love these bunch of guys'.
Voters took a pragmatic view based on what they would be best for the economy, their jobs, and their families. The psychology seemed to be what will be the least worst, not what will take us to Nirvana.

Incredible. Nuance, detail and complexity like 'the recession happened because of public spending', 'welfare scroungers are coming to take what little you have left' - this is what passes for critical thought at the BBC these days.

Nuance, detail, complexity = sovereign debts are the same as credit cards
Simple solutions = anything that threatens the interests of the rich

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Always remember: TINA. If you propose an alternative you are the same as anyone else proposing any alternative.

 

[J Ed]

I think that a lot of British right-wingers who spend a bit of time in America quite like being about to invoke the spectre of the American Republican Party to salve their own consciences, if they are able to expand the Overton window in their own mind or the mind of the person they are trying to justify their existence to then it can be a useful way of appearing a little bit less misanthropic.

Tories quite like the idea of the fact that if they were in America with the same views then they could easily run as Democrats, and they are of course right. The likes of Rahm Emanuel and Diane Feinstein likewise could very easily be Tories.

 

[frogwoman]

Yea those fake beggars must be coining it in as they lie in puddles of their own piss carrying around all of their worldly goods in a few bags. The rich bastards


This sort of nonsense has been around for years though, remember someone i knew at uni banging on about it

 

[frogwoman]

They posted this image from the anti-daesh activist group in syria whose member was recently killed by them with a caption which implies they are part of daesh:

An Egyptian group allied to IS published this announcement on Twitter

What fucking shoddy journalism

 

[Zabo]

"A teenage girl has added a new chapter to the politicians-eating-things file after filming David Cameron tucking into a tube of paprika Pringles.

The PM was chomping on the £1.80 snack on an Easyjet flight to Portugal - sparking incredulity on social media.

Fellow passenger Ashleigh was amazed too, telling her Twitter followers: "Guys I'm crying he was eating Pringles."

"I found the experience humbling," she told BBC News."

And that is the political news for today folks. Photographs below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33973394

 

[NoXion]

It's still "silly season" isn't it? Even so, that is particularly bad.

 

[bi0boy]

Liquid can leak out of containers with a hole:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33988220

"As the coffee sloshes against the end of the lid, that velocity is amplified and it splashes up through the actual hole."

 

[Flavour]

The real political message is not that Cameron was eating Pringles, after all, what is the price difference between the cheapest crisps and the most expensive? And wouldn't Pringles be near the top end anyway, pound for pound? It's the fact he took an easyjet flight. He's one of us, you see, booking his holiday online according to which day is the cheapest and keeping himself strictly within a 400 quid budget.

 

[bi0boy]

Pringles aren't crisps ffs

 

[killer b]

The real political message is not that Cameron was eating Pringles, after all, what is the price difference between the cheapest crisps and the most expensive? And wouldn't Pringles be near the top end anyway, pound for pound? It's the fact he took an easyjet flight. He's one of us, you see, booking his holiday online according to which day is the cheapest and keeping himself strictly within a 400 quid budget.

This is the only reason they use budget airlines - in the hope that someone will post a picture of them being normal and it'll go viral. Doubtless with a little nudge here and there from the tory press office

 

[SikhWarrioR]

This is the only reason they use budget airlines - in the hope that someone will post a picture of them being normal and it'll go viral. Doubtless with a little nudge here and there from the tory press office

Do politicians actually expect us to believe that

 

[elbows]

I've been having real trouble finding this article again on the BBC, not sure if they replaced it with a different version of the story.

But since I saved it this morning, I can bring you this quote that fails to quite do the typical dance when it comes to describing the BBC World Service, rather a brief lapse into language that isn't careful:

The World Service proposals are part of an ongoing battle against state-sponsored news organisations such as Al-Jazeera, China Central Television (CCTV) and RT (previously Russia Today), which command huge resources and now broadcast to viewers in the UK.

 

[treelover]

This is the only reason they use budget airlines - in the hope that someone will post a picture of them being normal and it'll go viral. Doubtless with a little nudge here and there from the tory press office

The minute Cameron leaves office, he will be in a private jet to the Azores.