Why Labour are Scum

[Sprocket.]

News from last night's budget in Brighton - Warren Morgan leader of the Labour council did a deal with the Tories to cut union rep facility time! You really couldn't make that shit up!

Sadly, we are not really surprised though are we!

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Sadly, we are not really surprised though are we!

Err, in Brighton we are a bit, & really fuckin pissed off.

 

[ska invita]

That the tories voted against this is standard sickening behaviour...id like to see a list of which Labour MPs did too...does anyone know how to look that up?
Tories vote against accepting 3,000 child refugees

 

[Puddy_Tat]

id like to see a list of which Labour MPs did too...does anyone know how to look that up?

it will be on hansard - latest shown are 21 April (last thursday) - so presume it takes a day or so to get updated.

 

[Celyn]

List of Ayes and Noes here:

Division 246, Immigration Bill - Hansard Online

 

[ska invita]

List of Ayes and Noes here:

Division 246, Immigration Bill - Hansard Online

I take it back - no Labour Mps voted for it. Those that did were:

• Conservative (289)▼
• Democratic Unionist Party (2)▼
• UK Independence Party (1)▼
• Ulster Unionist Party (2)

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

That the tories voted against this is standard sickening behaviour...id like to see a list of which Labour MPs did too...does anyone know how to look that up?
Tories vote against accepting 3,000 child refugees

None. Look here Division 246, Immigration Bill - Hansard Online

The Aye votes came from the Tories, UKIP, DUP and UUP

 

[Fez909]

Fucking disgusting

 

[ska invita]

Fucking disgusting

makes you want to vomit

 

[agricola]

I take it back - no Labour Mps voted for it. Those that did were:

• Conservative (289)▼
• Democratic Unionist Party (2)▼
• UK Independence Party (1)▼
• Ulster Unionist Party (2)

how bad does a measure have to have been for none of the maquis to have voted for it?

 

[butchersapron]

**

 

[Libertad]

Here's the list of cunts:

Division 246, Immigration Bill - Hansard Online

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Absent Labour MPs allowed government to block child refugee measure

A full turn-out of Labour MPs would have prevented the government from blocking efforts at helping child refugees, according to an early analysis of last night’s Commons vote.

Wankers.

 

[killer b]

Possibly. Or they were ill, or they had paired with a tory opposite.

 

[Pickman's model]

Absent Labour MPs allowed government to block child refugee measure



Wankers.

wankers are wankers mr.b

 

[Pickman's model]

Here's the list of cunts:

Division 246, Immigration Bill - Hansard Online

but that's not a full list of mps

 

[killer b]

oh look.

Mea culpa? Why pairing should have been mentioned more prominently in this piece

 

[Sue]

Ex-MEP nicks £100k, jailed for four years.

Ex-MEP Peter Skinner jailed for expenses fraud - BBC News

 

[redsquirrel]

So are any of the new joined Labour members willing to go up against Labour councils enforcing cuts?

Anger as Derby plans to hand over most of city's libraries to volunteers
Lancashire council to close more than 20 libraries

 

[Rob Ray]

So are any of the new joined Labour members willing to go up against Labour councils enforcing cuts?

Anger as Derby plans to hand over most of city's libraries to volunteers
Lancashire council to close more than 20 libraries

In fairness there's bog-all Labour councils can do about central funding cuts, their ability to set up alternative funding streams was stripped away years ago and they can't refuse to set a "balanced budget" because the regulator just gets sent in to do it for them. It makes council elections something of a sham but no-one's made a fuss about that for a very long time.

 

[treelover]

The councils themselves could make more of the fact they are being shafted though, in sheffield, you wouldn't know they have made huge cuts in social care, they even have a motion to council this week, where they praise themselves for not cutting too much.

 

[Rob Ray]

The councils themselves could make more of the fact they are being shafted though, in sheffield, you wouldn't know they have made huge cuts in social care, they even have a motion to council this week, where they praise themselves for not cutting too much.

Gotta maintain the vanishing pretense that council elections mean something - turnout's barely 30% as it is. Especially Labour, who lose out from low voter numbers (though they do generally blame the Tories for shortfalls before saying "look we found a solution, aren't we clever").

 

[ViolentPanda]

In fairness there's bog-all Labour councils can do about central funding cuts, their ability to set up alternative funding streams was stripped away years ago and they can't refuse to set a "balanced budget" because the regulator just gets sent in to do it for them. It makes council elections something of a sham but no-one's made a fuss about that for a very long time.

There's an argument to be made - an argument I've unsuccessfully made with local councillors - that councils should set "unbalanced" budgets in order to force recognition that central government austerity measures are destroying public services. Unfortunately, many Labour councillors don't have the courage of their convictions or, as in the case of one Lambeth councillor who was rather too candid with me, they don't want to damage their political careers by being linked to "rebellious" behaviour.

 

[two sheds]

Aren't they financially liable for the difference if they set an unbalanced budget? I may have been imagining it but I thought Thatcher did something like that so they'd end up in debtors' prison or something.

 

[killer b]

I think they can be surcharged, but anyone worth their mettle shouldn't be put off by that.

 

[belboid]

Surcharging was done away with fifteen years ago. Now they're just disbarred and any unbalanced budget is simply thrown out by officials and a government appointed team comes in instead.

Local democracy, making North Korea look tempting since 1996

 

[killer b]

Has any council ever done it? I wonder how politically possible it would be to disbar an elected council in reality (for this at least)?

 

[butchersapron]

If only some mass membership party was up to the fight - rather than bring disciplinary measures against individual councilors/groups arguing that they should be.

 

[two sheds]

Surcharging was done away with fifteen years ago. Now they're just disbarred and any unbalanced budget is simply thrown out by officials and a government appointed team comes in instead.

Local democracy, making North Korea look tempting since 1996

So it's worse than pointless then, since they have no control over what a government appointed team will do which presumably means the new team will cut services more than they would have done.

The Greens in Brighton came in for a lot of stick - was that true for them too?

 

[mauvais]

So are any of the new joined Labour members willing to go up against Labour councils enforcing cuts?

Anger as Derby plans to hand over most of city's libraries to volunteers
Lancashire council to close more than 20 libraries

FWIW, Lancashire County Council is NOC - slim Labour lead but not a majority. In GE terms, Lancashire is mostly Tory.