Why Labour are Scum

[butchersapron]

You see someone killing someone you

a) join in
b) say i'm joining in but i oppose it
c) We need PR
d) leave the killing gang

 

[butchersapron]

I didn't say it was the whole solution but a system which encourages the party to maximise support in w/c areas would make them less susceptible to crude chasing of swing vote. That's obvious maybe, but still worth remembering.

This isn't swing bashing- it's the core of your party. It's what it believes in. It's what you did in power. Worth remembering amonsgt the keir hardie tattoos.

 

[danny la rouge]

This isn't swing bashing- it's the core of your party.It's what it believes in. It's what you did in power. Worth remembering amonsgt the keir hardie tattoos.

This isn't new, either. Labour MPs have said exactly the same thing before, in the last 12 months.

They're not the party of Jarrow, they're the party of Harrow.

 

[danny la rouge]

Yes that's the other incredible thing. Stigmatising being "on benefits" even though you might well be working

Well they've gone a long way towards ensuring Labour MPs are stigmatised.

And when I encourage people not to vote for them, I'll say it's tough love.

 

[J Ed]

Online rumours damage British democracy, says Douglas Alexander. Is it any fucking wonder that disenfranchised people fall prey to conspiracy theories when they are the victims of a political class which continually works in tandem to conspire against them? Also, who's betting that while he used an extreme example he also considers actually valid points which are contrary to establishment common sense to be conspiracy theories?

 

[danny la rouge]

Online rumours damage British democracy, says Douglas Alexander. Is it any fucking wonder that disenfranchised people fall prey to conspiracy theories when they are the victims of a political class which continually works in tandem to conspire against them? Also, who's betting that while he used an extreme example he also considers actually valid points which are contrary to establishment common sense to be conspiracy theories?

Oh, he'll absolutely think views outside of received Common Sense are conspiracy theories.

The thing is, though, he's built his model of Why Labour Is Tanking in Scotland on a flaky model. Yes, of course there are conspiracy theories on the social media; you can go online any day and see them. But to suggest that 45% of the population have fallen prey to conspiracy theories is in itself a conspiracy theory.

What he actually means is that people are no longer swallowing whole the establishment wisdom on everything. His press release doesn't necessarily go from his desk to the BBC to the lips of the person at the bus stop. If he's worried about that, then something at least is going right.

 

[danny la rouge]

This isn't new, either. Labour MPs have said exactly the same thing before, in the last 12 months.

They're not the party of Jarrow, they're the party of Harrow.

It was actually a bit longer than I remembered, but virtually the same words -Tom Harris, Labour MP:

"We were set up as the party to represent the values of working people, working being the key word. We weren't set up as some sort of charity to help the poorest in society".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...t-Tom-Harris-has-lessons-to-teach-Labour.html

 

[butchersapron]

Online rumours damage British democracy, says Douglas Alexander. Is it any fucking wonder that disenfranchised people fall prey to conspiracy theories when they are the victims of a political class which continually works in tandem to conspire against them? Also, who's betting that while he used an extreme example he also considers actually valid points which are contrary to establishment common sense to be conspiracy theories?

It's weird isn't it - the more i punch this face the bigger the bruises get. They don't even recognise me anymore.

 

[danny la rouge]

And here's Scottish Labour's backroom boss defending Rachel Reeves:

 

[Pickman's model]

It was actually a bit longer than I remembered, but virtually the same words -Tom Harris, Labour MP:

"We were set up as the party to represent the values of working people, working being the key word. We weren't set up as some sort of charity to help the poorest in society".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...t-Tom-Harris-has-lessons-to-teach-Labour.html

but what about where some of the poorest ARE working? or where the poorest WANT to work?

 

[danny la rouge]

but what about where some of the poorest ARE working? or where the poorest WANT to work?

Exactly. They're out of touch cunts.

They don't want my vote: I get working tax credit, an in-work benefit. But they don't want to represent me. Suits me. They can fuck right off.

 

[Pickman's model]

It was actually a bit longer than I remembered, but virtually the same words -Tom Harris, Labour MP:

"We were set up as the party to represent the values of working people, working being the key word. We weren't set up as some sort of charity to help the poorest in society".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...t-Tom-Harris-has-lessons-to-teach-Labour.html

i see harris is a christian.

 

[danny la rouge]

i see harris is a christian.

I'll punch both of his cheeks if that helps.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'll punch both of his cheeks if that helps.

kick all four of them

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[danny la rouge]

 

[teqniq]

Ed Miliband vows Labour would cap profits of private health companies

Not good enough Ed, not even close. Any service that has been pimped out to private companies need to be returned to public ownership ASAP. No excuses

 

[Pickman's model]

Ed Miliband vows Labour would cap profits of private health companies

Not good enough Ed, not even close. Any service that has been pimped out to private companies need to be returned to public ownership ASAP. No excuses

this is the only sort of cap miliband would dream of wearing.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Ed Miliband vows Labour would cap profits of private health companies

Not good enough Ed, not even close. Any service that has been pimped out to private companies need to be returned to public ownership ASAP. No excuses

Including GPs? Supply of medical equipment? Software?

 

[teqniq]

Yes to the first, No to the second (as after all the NHS has to purchase from the private sector anyway). Yes to the last. the NHS could save a fortune in software licensing if it went open-source. For an example of the savings to be made, what the city of Munich has done is worth looking at.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Yes to the first, No to the second (as after all the NHS has to purchase from the private sector anyway). Yes to the last. the NHS could save a fortune in software licensing if it went open-source. For an example of the savings to be made, what the city of Munich has done is worth looking at.

Licensing costs are not TCO, as any fule kno. And whatever the Munich lot have done with open source productivity suites has no bearing on electronic patient records, imaging software, scheduling and payroll software and so on.

So you want GPs to be salaried NHS employees? That would mean a lot of stuffing mouths with gold and would be quite a big structural change.

 

[Greebo]

I struggle to understand how badly local Labour (ward councillors and the Labour menbers of Lambeth council, including Matthew Bennett) can behave while hearing What Chukka Umunna comes out with, let alone what Labour in opposition have said or done (or failed to even attempt).

I realise this thread is more about Labour in the run up to the general election, but he's so overeager to believe the best spin of the local Labour councillors fed to him that I'm having the political equivalent of losing my religion.

 

[teqniq]

Licensing costs are not TCO, as any fule kno.

No, this fule did not nor did I know what TCO meant but so what? I still reckon that there's a possibility that big savings could be made; it would of course require the will to do so and a lot of effort but considering some of the huge sums wasted on IT projects in the NHS in the past it's definitely worthy of consideration.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

No, this fule did not nor did I know what TCO meant but so what? I still reckon that there's a possibility that big savings could be made; it would of course require the will to do so and a lot of effort but considering some of the huge sums wasted on IT projects in the NHS in the past it's definitely worthy of consideration.

Open source really isn't a panacea. There are lots of reasons why some aspects of NPfIT were unsuccessful and fixing the issues is about much more than the licensing model, or using SMEs, or using agile development.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Licensing costs are not TCO, as any fule kno. And whatever the Munich lot have done with open source productivity suites has no bearing on electronic patient records, imaging software, scheduling and payroll software and so on.

So you want GPs to be salaried NHS employees? That would mean a lot of stuffing mouths with gold and would be quite a big structural change.

No it wouldn't. It would mean showing a determined commitment to a needs based, socialised, provision of health care.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Maurice Picarda]

No it wouldn't.

Louis MacNeice

You'd need to buy their surgeries. As in, the built estate. And all their other professional assets.

It's worth thinking about, but there's a shortage of GPs at the moment and it would be very, very tricky to get them to accept new conditions without straightforward bribery.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

You'd need to buy their surgeries. As in, the built estate. And all their other professional assets.

It's worth thinking about, but there's a shortage of GPs at the moment and it would be very, very tricky to get them to accept new conditions without straightforward bribery.

No you don't. You need to be more open minded as to how popular political choices might be turned into action.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Maurice Picarda]

No you don't. You need to be more open minded as to how popular political choices might be turned into action.

Louis MacNeice

If it was possible to shoot or imprison any doctors who objected to the new regime things would certainly be easier. Pulse would complain quite a lot, though, and it might even make the broadsheets.

 

[agricola]

It's worth thinking about, but there's a shortage of GPs at the moment and it would be very, very tricky to get them to accept new conditions without straightforward bribery.

In the short term yes, but doing what they did with teachers and offering to pay most/all of a medical students fees in return for a fixed term as a GP would probably sort most of the problem out within a decade or so.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

In the short term yes, but doing what they did with teachers and offering to pay most/all of a medical students fees in return for a fixed term as a GP would probably sort most of the problem out within a decade or so.

Yes, that makes sense.