Why Labour are Scum

[DotCommunist]

burn!

 

[killer b]

a bonus for the lackey who wrote that joke. nice.

 

[Pickman's model]

Did anyone see Ed Balls on BBC news? He was asked about Russell Brand calling him a clicky wristed, snide cunt and he responded by calling Brand a pound shop Ben Elton. [emoji1]

I laughed.[emoji33]

it worked well when brand said it. it looks weak when it's recycled.

 

[DotCommunist]

it worked well when brand said it. it looks weak when it's recycled.

he should have gone for the mum cuss

 

[Looby]

It was such an awkward moment it sort of made my arse twitch.

 

[Buckaroo]

It was such an awkward moment it sort of made my arse twitch.

That would have been a classier comeback

 

[danny la rouge]

...because they appear to be trying to drive a wedge between Scottish and English voters. And in the process to be calling Scottish voters "subsidy junkies", and deliberately misunderstanding devolution into the bargain.

 

[coley]

Time for a 'Why the Morning Star is going down the pan' thread?

It's arrived at the sewage farm going off that headline.

 

[coley]

I reckon some strategist has told him to appear galvanised.

Bugger needs galvanised.

 

[andysays]

Just in case there was any doubt
Labour is aggressively pro-business, says Tristram Hunt

Tristram Hunt, the shadow education secretary, told BBC1’s The Andrew Marr Show that Labour was a “furiously, passionately, aggressively pro-business” party...

...Hunt said Labour was on the side of Britain’s businessmen and women. He said: “I’m enormously enthusiastic about businessmen and women making money, about delivering shareholder return, about making profit...

...“We have heard from some businesspeople. We have got 5 million great businesses working really hard across Great Britain, making money, as I say, and Labour is on their side.

Sounds like Mandelson and "intensely relaxed..." all over again

 

[DotCommunist]

'red' ed promoising to go after the offshore banking havens and demand to know who banks with them. I hear the sound of a bollocks promise and several lols and 'or you'll do what' from offshore banks

 

[ViolentPanda]

'red' ed promoising to go after the offshore banking havens and demand to know who banks with them. I hear the sound of a bollocks promise and several lols and 'or you'll do what' from offshore banks

While a prime minister may have nominal powers over those offshore havens, he doesn't have anything in his armoury to compel compliance. At best all he can do is solicit some hollow promises.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

While a prime minister may have nominal powers over those offshore havens, he doesn't have anything in his armoury to compel compliance. At best all he can do is solicit some hollow promises.

So Basically a vote for the Red conservatives as opposed to a vote for the Blue,Yellow,Purple conservatives its still gonna be business as usual or ed miliped being an empty vessel making a lot of but with little of substance inside but enough tho hope that enough of us will be stupid enough to buy it

 

[ViolentPanda]

So Basically a vote for the Red conservatives as opposed to a vote for the Blue,Yellow,Purple conservatives its still gonna be business as usual or ed miliped being an empty vessel making a lot of but with little of substance inside but enough tho hope that enough of us will be stupid enough to buy it

Pretty much. Previous PMs have made similar promises to the electorate, and have been made promises about disclosure by the tax havens, but what isn't explained to Joseph and Josephine Mug-Punter is that many of the accounts in tax havens are held by trusts, mostly blind trusts, which are in turn operated by holding companies, usually in a chain, so establishing the "beneficial owner" is almost impossible without vast cost to the taxpayer.

 

[gosub]

'red' ed promoising to go after the offshore banking havens and demand to know who banks with them. I hear the sound of a bollocks promise and several lols and 'or you'll do what' from offshore banks

He's planning to keep, and take credit for something that already happens? that up there with having a go at Cameron for not completely undoing the tax stuff Labour brought in, as he did at last PMQ's

 

[DotCommunist]

He's planning to keep, and take credit for something that already happens?

here you go:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/ex...d-Milibands-call-for-tax-haven-crackdown.html

not quite what I said, the man on the radio was vague. But still, its a promise he can't and won't keep.

 

[8115]

Tony Blair says he will help with the election campaign if Ed Miliband wants him to

Is that a threat or something?

 

[free spirit]

Pretty much. Previous PMs have made similar promises to the electorate, and have been made promises about disclosure by the tax havens, but what isn't explained to Joseph and Josephine Mug-Punter is that many of the accounts in tax havens are held by trusts, mostly blind trusts, which are in turn operated by holding companies, usually in a chain, so establishing the "beneficial owner" is almost impossible without vast cost to the taxpayer.

in that case, just confiscate half of all value in those bank accounts over night with no warning on the assumption they're pretty much all there for tax evasion purposes, then let the real owners plead their case if they feel they've been wronged.

 

[danny la rouge]

Because a Labour Council sorts it so that rich people don't have to look at oiks in their garden:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...tower-bridge-luxury-development-10030769.html

 

[gosub]

in that case, just confiscate half of all value in those bank accounts over night with no warning on the assumption they're pretty much all there for tax evasion purposes, then let the real owners plead their case if they feel they've been wronged.

I'm kind of a fan of Habeus Corpus

 

[free spirit]

I'm kind of a fan of Habeus Corpus

but if they're hiding their identity deliberately to stop HMRC from tracking them down, then fuck that IMO.

Besides IIRC they already do this for tax disputes in other areas, eg the footballers who've been caught out with the film investement avoidance schemes have had to pay the fines in advance of any appeals on the presumption that they're guilty.

WTF else are they doing hiding their money in tax havens behind obscure ownership structures that make it near impossible to work out who owns the money?

 

[free spirit]

actually what I suggested is fully in line with habeous corpus anyway, as anyone who's been wronged would have full recourse to the courts to prove it, but it'd be up to them to do the proving, not HMRC to attempt to work out who they are and if they have a legit reason for wanting to hide their money in an offshore tax haven.

 

[JTG]

I'm kind of a fan of Habeus Corpus

I have yet to form an opinion, they were on at the same time as Slayer so I missed them

 

[phildwyer]

While a prime minister may have nominal powers over those offshore havens, he doesn't have anything in his armoury to compel compliance.

Sure he does. Palmerstone would have sent a gunboat. Ed could do the same if he chose.

Now, you're correct to say that the chances of him choosing to do that are pretty close to the minus range. But don't let him off the hook too easily: action is within his power.

 

[Wolveryeti]

While a prime minister may have nominal powers over those offshore havens, he doesn't have anything in his armoury to compel compliance. At best all he can do is solicit some hollow promises.

Not entirely true. For British Overseas Dependencies he could suspend home rule, or threaten to do so. Suspension of home rule happened with the Turks & Caicos islands in 2009 because of ministerial corruption.

Not sure what recourse he would have with the likes of Jersey, which has a distinct national identity...

 

[gosub]

 

[ViolentPanda]

in that case, just confiscate half of all value in those bank accounts over night with no warning on the assumption they're pretty much all there for tax evasion purposes, then let the real owners plead their case if they feel they've been wronged.

And this would be allowed to happen because...?
Bear in mind just how ubiquitous these accounts are among the £100,000pa and more crowd.
Also, history shows us (sadly) that it's nigh on impossible to "crack" a bank holding such accounts. We've been trying since the Inland Revenue went after the Vesteys. Their governing bodies are responsible to no legislature but their own, and those legislatures (Caymans, Guernsey etc etc) are "stitched up" by the very people who invest there.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm kind of a fan of Habeus Corpus

Especially if it's Cameron's inanimate body that's being presented.

 

[danny la rouge]

https://jakecanner.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/an-open-letter-to-iain-mcnicol/

AN OPEN LETTER TO IAIN MCNICOL.
February 8, 2015jakecanner


Dear Iain,

My name is Jake. You’ve only met me once so I doubt that you’d remember this particular bespectacled Labour-supporting 19 year old. Anyway, hello. I currently work in a restaurant in Waterloo. I enjoy my job. It’s sociable, fun and enables me to continue living in one of the most vibrant and diverse (and expensive) cities in the world. Like thousands of other people, I have to work hard to survive and thrive here. I’ve been a Labour Party member, volunteer and activist for 5 years.

[...]

This is specifically in regard to Labour Students and Young Labour. However, even more specifically, its members Bex Bailey, Ben Dilks, Jack Falkingham, Ashley Wise and Jack Storry. Individuals whom I’m sure you’re extremely familiar with.

[...]

The individuals in-hand decided to visit the restaurant I work in during the evening on the 6th February 2015. They know who I am because I’m an active member of the party, so I’ve undoubtedly met them on several occasions. I was even pressured into voting for Bex for NEC in order to get support from NOLS in my candidacy for LGBT Officer. Although saying that, it was pulled because I dared to vote against the ‘whip’ and not the way I was ‘supposed to’.

Upon seeing me stood working front-of-house and greeting customers on a fairly busy shift, they felt it appropriate to stand at the top of the stairs and point and laugh at me. Just to reiterate – they pointed and laughed at me. I’ve been in this job for just over a month and for that to happen in front of colleagues and customers, it was humiliating and degrading to say the least.

They are employed by Labour and Parliament and paid with our membership money and taxes. They are members of a party that prides itself on being the party of working people.

[...] I sincerely hope that it raises some key questions about Labour Students, Young Labour and the classist and elitist attitudes of its senior members.

 

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