Why Labour are Scum

[rioted]

Perhaps if Labour could find a non-public schoolboy to voice their education policies they might make sense.

Labour's Hunt urges 'Hippocratic oath' for teachers

Perhaps the worst thing about this is that I agree with Michael Gove

This prompted the former Education Secretary Michael Gove to deliver the riposte that Labour's position on free schools is "so tortured they should send in the UN to end the suffering".

 

[J Ed]

Thick scab cunt

 

[SpookyFrank]

Labour has said it backs further restrictions on migrants' ability to claim benefits as a sign it understands public concerns about immigration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29587391

What they understand is that some people voted for UKIP and therefore the best thing to do is to dress the party up in a great big UKIP costume and start chucking out knee-jerk, back-of-an-envelope policies. All without troubling themselves to actually look at the current rules for migrants claiming benefits, the practicalities of changing those rules or the likely knock on effects. Never mind the wider moral, economic and social factors that might be worthy of consideration, let's all jump on the great big immigrant-bashing gravy train to credibility central.

This is the exact same 'idea' that David Cameron has already put into practice. Labour could attack both the tories and UKIP by challenging this fiction of the scrounging immigrant coming here for a free ride, and thus maybe set themselves apart from the people they're supposed to be opposed to, or they could just be another voice in the chorus of reactionary bullshit.

Clueless, spineless wankers the lot of them.

 

[rioted]

Thick scab cunt

Shallow puss prick.

 

[murphy1970]

It certainly didn't take Labour long to capitulate to UKIP's agenda.

 

[SikhWarrioR]

It certainly didn't take Labour long to capitulate to UKIP's agenda.

After spending the blair, brown and miliband years trying their best to morph into a red version of the conservatives they now seem to want to see whatb of ukip's ideas they can add to the mess that was formally known as labour

 

[brogdale]

Talk about life imitating....

Mr Miliband met EastEnders star Danny Dyer at a London awards ceremony for gay magazine Attitude on Monday night, according to The Sun.

Discussing the show, Mr Miliband revealed he knew the character of Ben Mitchell had been played by five different actors while Martin Fowler had been portrayed by three.

However when asked if he watched the show, Mr Miliband reportedly said: "No, I don’t have time any more but I’ve been doing a lot of research about it online.”

A Labour source told the paper: “It might have felt a bit awkward but Ed was just making a genuine effort to brush up on his TV knowledge."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...EastEnders-online-as-election-approaches.html

Malcolm Tucker: This is important stuff, Hugh! Right, we do a weekly digest for the Prime Minister, we boil down the week's television, cinema, music, so on.

Oliver Reeder: The Zeitgeist tapes.

Malcolm Tucker: Exactly, the Zeitgest tapes. EastEnders highlights, choice bits from all the reality shows, 10 seconds music videos, that kind of thing.

Hugh Abbott: That's why the PM always looks so clued-up! I always thought he was jenuenly quite with it.

Malcolm Tucker: No, no, he's as bad as you, he uses phrases like "with it" as well. Right, I'm gonna bike that over to Terri, watch it, ok? And listen, when you talk to Angela Heaney, remember to stick the boot into Hewitt. I'm putting it about that Cliff offered him two free weeks at his Toscan villa for that piece, ok?

Hugh Abbott: Ten-four, daddy-o!

Malcolm Tucker: Hey, hey, hey, this is serious! You've got 24 hours to sort out your policy on EastEnders, right? Or you're for the halal butchers!

[Ollie does an imitation of the EastEnders opening music]

Malcolm Tucker: Even he knows.

 

[Brechin Sprout]

Haringey Council does not contain one single Tory. Here they are at war with the NUT
http://www.juliedavies.org.uk/

 

[brogdale]

OK, I've considered that for a while..and nope, zilch...sfa.

Anyone?

 

[Pickman's model]

OK, I've considered that for a while..and nope, zilch...sfa.

Anyone?

tbh the person most effectively rubbishing ed miliband is ed miliband himself.

 

[DotCommunist]

what has milliband achieved then

 

[brogdale]

what has milliband achieved then

Hmmm......err.......weeellllllll.....is it that we're not meant to call them "nu" any more?

 

[butchersapron]

what has milliband achieved then

From within the labour perspective:
1) A sustained labour lead in the polls after their worst post-war election performance.
2) Ensured that the post-leadership election battles were minor and kept internal.
3) Held onto the core labour vote that many thought would walk away after 2010
4) Attracted and kept lib-dem defectors

 

[brogdale]

From within the labour perspective:
1) A sustained labour lead in the polls after their worst post-war election performance.
2) Ensured that the post-leadership election battles were minor and kept internal.
3) Held onto the core labour vote that many thought would walk away after 2010
4) Attracted and kept lib-dem defectors

Yeah, a full and thorough analysis of his intra-party achievements....but to the UKIP waverer on Rochester High St...fuck all, in other words.
A worse leadership rating than Clegg is going some.

 

[butchersapron]

Yeah, a full and thorough analysis of his intra-party achievements....but to the UKIP waverer on Rochester High St...fuck all, in other words.
A worse leadership rating than Clegg is going some.

All the above are part of one and the same and not really intra-party stuff really - it's what's put them in position to be able to achieve majority govt five years after the disaster of 20010. And if they are maintained, then those UKIP voters won't matter in immediate electoral terms come next may.

 

[Obnoxiousness]

 

[Pickman's model]

All the above are part of one and the same and not really intra-party stuff really - it's what's put them in position to be able to achieve majority govt five years after the disaster of 20010. And if they are maintained, then those UKIP voters won't matter in immediate electoral terms come next may.

tbh my money's on a tory govt with a small majority.

 

[butchersapron]

tbh my money's on a tory govt with a small majority.

Pretty much all options/bets are still live at this point i think.

 

[brogdale]

All the above are part of one and the same and not really intra-party stuff really - it's what's put them in position to be able to achieve majority govt five years after the disaster of 20010. And if they are maintained, then those UKIP voters won't matter in immediate electoral terms come next may.

I'd certainly agree that holding the LD 'defectors' is central to the 35% 'plan', but I'd question, (and I know we can't really answer this), to what extent that solidity derives from the strength of the 'push' factors, rather than the attraction of the 'pull'. In other words, they're still so angry with the LDs that they'll stick with NuLab despite Miliband.

It's the defectors to SNP that should be his prime concern.

 

[brogdale]

tbh my money's on a tory govt with a small majority.

What...>326 tory seats?
really?

 

[Obnoxiousness]

Cameron is the strongest leader, as a political personality. Labour should hire Russell Brand.

 

[Pickman's model]

What...>326 tory seats?
really?

let's wait and see, eh. and then you can buy me the pints you'll owe me.

 

[brogdale]

let's wait and see, eh. and then you can buy me the pints you'll owe me.

Yeah, OK.

But seriously, you've seen the Ashcroft marginal stuff? Albeit with the usual caveats, the current polling says that they haven't any chance of hanging on to what they've presently got.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah, OK.

But seriously, you've seen the Ashcroft marginal stuff? Albeit with the usual caveats, the current polling says that they haven't any chance of hanging on to what they've presently got.

yeh and you trust the polls.

 

[brogdale]

yeh and you trust the polls.

as opposed to a hunch? Yeah.

 

[Pickman's model]

as opposed to a hunch? Yeah.

and you trust the polls now to accurately reflect the votes in six months yeh that's really fucking scientifick.

 

[brogdale]

and you trust the polls now to accurately reflect the votes in six months yeh that's really fucking scientifick.

trends, trends.
More "scientific" than your 'bones'/'water'/'sea-weed'

 

[brogdale]

 

[Pickman's model]

trends, trends.
More "scientific" than your 'bones'/'water'/'sea-weed'

yeh trends

 

[brogdale]

yeh trends

Other stuff, as well...

Labour might have collapsed in Scotland but the gainers are not the Tories but the SNP – which means this development does not in any way help CON with their overall majority ambition.

The dramatic move to the SNP in Scotland suggests that LAB’s doing disproportionately better in England where the Tories were 11.4% ahead on votes last time and where LAB lost 83 seats.

Even if LAB loses support in England we could in the coming months we could get near a 2005 situation where LAB is behind votes but comes out with many more seats.

1. 
   There’s no reason to think that the VOTES:SEATS ratio in England is going to be more equitable next May than it was ten years ago. In fact it could be worse for the Tories

The big unknown for next year is how a UKIP share in, say, the mid teens will impact on the overall outcome. It is hard to draw meaningful conclusions but we do know at the moment that the purples are picking up more blue voters than red ones.

As has been rehearsed so many times here the big drivers of the bias to LAB are smaller turnout levels in LAB heartlands thus depressing their overall GB share and tactical anti CON voting. In the past the latter has helped LAB and the LDs to win and retain seats against the Tories. The boundaries do have an impact but not as much as some believe.

Given that it is England where 532 of the 650 seats are including the vast bulk of the marginals it would be really good if we could see some England only polling.