Why Labour are Scum

[Hocus Eye.]

This is bad, yes, but it doesn't follow that they won't be able to shift spending priorities, or that borrowing for capita investment is not worth having.

Oh dear a Freudian slip there "capita investment". The Labour party has already burnt its fingers with the Capita organisation.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

The only alternative

You're link doesn't work properly and appears to point to a job advert anyway. Theoretical Chemist, eh? Mr Fancy-Pants.

 

[redsquirrel]

You're link doesn't work properly and appears to point to a job advert anyway. Theoretical Chemist, eh? Mr Fancy-Pants.

Bollocks, this is what I meant to link to. Sorry about that.

 

[Poshmanc]

Utter nonsense. Its just that the 'Labour' brand makes you feel better about yourself. Both are two sides of the same shitty stick and in many ways I would argue that worse things happen under a Labour government because of the sort of stupid sentiment you have expressed which means they face less opposition.

Somehow you dont mind being metaphorically fucked if its a nice politican with a red rosette on whilst doing so.

Spot on. The Labour party are craven liars who want to stab the working class in the bck. The Tories at least have the honesty to say to your face that they plan to reduce your standard of living. The latest policy from Ed Balls is to announce they will follow Coalition spending targets, rather than come up wirh nay ideas of their own. Announcing, as they did, that the will make the cuts in a 'fairer' fashion just makes them even more pathetic. Ye Gods, is this what people struggled for, a Labour Party comprised of lickspittles and creeps.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Spot on. The Labour party are craven liars who want to stab the working class in the bck. The Tories at least have the honesty to say to your face that they plan to reduce your standard of living. The latest policy from Ed Balls is to announce they will follow Coalition spending targets, rather than come up wirh nay ideas of their own. Announcing, as they did, that the will make the cuts in a 'fairer' fashion just makes them even more pathetic. Ye Gods, is this what people struggled for, a Labour Party comprised of lickspittles and creeps.

"Want to"? They've been stabbing us in the back since the foundation of the party.

 

[ViolentPanda]

double post

 

[DairyQueen]

Announcing, as they did, that the will make the cuts in a 'fairer' fashion just makes them even more pathetic.

Was Cameron's Big Society basically not an attempt to do more-or-less do that? Take advantage of people's good-will to some absurd extremity.

 

[Poshmanc]

To be fair to him (and I accepts you may not want to be) his idea at least was based on a genuine ideological belief, ie that individuals, charities, trusts and the community are often better placed to run local services than the state. The Tories believe in a small state with services organised locally, at least to some extent. Academy schools are an example. You may not support such ideas but they are based on Tory beliefs. The problem becomes when you try to quantify Labour beliefs: what on earth are they other than aping the Coalition?

 

[DairyQueen]

To be fair to him (and I accepts you may not want to be) his idea at least was based on a genuine ideological belief, ie that individuals, charities, trusts and the community are often better placed to run local services than the state. The Tories believe in a small state with services organised locally, at least to some extent. Academy schools are an example. You may not support such ideas but they are based on Tory beliefs. The problem becomes when you try to quantify Labour beliefs: what on earth are they other than aping the Coalition?

All that localism guff was around before 2010.

Check out this... its 2014... but just look at the contents and contributors; front bench Labour folk and leaders of councils.

"a localist future"
"The power of localism"
"The co-operative council"
"The co-ordinating council" (councils don't provide services any more, they co-ordinate them)
"Independent local government"

It all comes from planning and stakeholder engagement. Basically, big company will build a load of flats next door, you can advise them what colour the external walls should be painted. That's localism.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Was Cameron's Big Society basically not an attempt to do more-or-less do that? Take advantage of people's good-will to some absurd extremity.

Basically a re-named reiteration of Blair's "3rd sector" ventures - involving charities and local voluntary orgs in service provision. It was shit when Blair did it, and even shitter when Cameron picked up the ball and ran with it, especially as neither cunt had done much to analyse the dynamics of charitable giving (time or money), and where it comes from.

 

[ViolentPanda]

To be fair to him (and I accepts you may not want to be) his idea at least was based on a genuine ideological belief, ie that individuals, charities, trusts and the community are often better placed to run local services than the state. The Tories believe in a small state with services organised locally, at least to some extent. Academy schools are an example. You may not support such ideas but they are based on Tory beliefs. The problem becomes when you try to quantify Labour beliefs: what on earth are they other than aping the Coalition?

Well, we could establish a circular logic to policy, because many of the coalition's policies have their genesis in Blair's "new Labour". The reason is, of course, that all the parties involved are signed up to neoliberalism, which prescribes a small state, so hiving off services to local 3rd sector provision, with a little government money to sweeten the pill to the charities, seems great. The problems start, as we've already seen (if you bother to look), when the government puts the squeeze on spending, and all of a sudden those charities etc are having to manage on their own, with no government largesse.
You see, if the state provides services, and makes poor provision, we can somewhat hold the state to account. With "individuals, charities, trusts and the community" doing so, there's often no accountability, or so little and so diffuse that no-one can be held to account for failures.

 

[DairyQueen]

Basically a re-named reiteration of Blair's "3rd sector" ventures - involving charities and local voluntary orgs in service provision. It was shit when Blair did it, and even shitter when Cameron picked up the ball and ran with it, especially as neither cunt had done much to analyse the dynamics of charitable giving (time or money), and where it comes from.

Yes. To be fair to Labour, they at least knew a Big Society-type initiative was a dead end since it would basically be an advert for the fact that all the big contracts go to large 'charities' (what I mean, of course, is large businesses).

I remember a couple years back, a small(ish) charity lost out on a government contract up here. When I say small, it had hundreds of employees. If they can't benefit from stuff like this what hope does some small community group in Brixton (run by maybe 3-4 committed volunteers) have if they want/need some cash?

Although the Wise Group – which has which has 650 staff and last year helped 5353 people into work – had been long-listed, it lost out to two private sector firms.
One, Ingeus UK, won its bid just a year after it appointed Dean James, a former senior civil servant in the Department of Work and Pensions, as its chief executive.

Funny thing here is the Wise Group ended up sub-contracting for the winners. Total shambles, most of that shite was probably started by Labour.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes. To be fair to Labour, they at least knew a Big Society-type initiative was a dead end since it would basically be an advert for the fact that all the big contracts go to large 'charities' (what I mean, of course, is large businesses).

I remember a couple years back, a small(ish) charity lost out on a government contract up here. When I say small, it had hundreds of employees. If they can't benefit from stuff like this what hope does some small community group in Brixton (run by maybe 3-4 committed volunteers) have if they want/need some cash?

We've already seen our biggest welfare rights advice provider lose 60% of funding, a couple of smaller ones shrink down to residual "two half days twice a week" schemes", various public/private youth projects get deep-sixed, etc etc. There's nowhere for these little concerns to go for money.

Funny thing here is the Wise Group ended up sub-contracting for the winners. Total shambles, most of that shite was probably started by Labour.

Many of us were suspicious even back when Blair was punting it, that it was transparently a way of opening the door to the big service companies, and so it's proved, where loads of charities are subbing for them. The other thing they're doing, of course, is capturing contracts from other, smaller, private companies, by buying them out. What was that, our political masters keep trying to sell us about the virtues of competition again?

 

[J Ed]

http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/former-rotherham-mp-s-diaries-on-jail-time-1-6764991

Jailed former Rotherham MP Denis MacShane has told how he felt someone “had it in for me” after he spent six weeks in high-security Belmarsh prison.

Mr MacShane, who represented the town for Labour until he stood down in 2012, was given a six-month jail sentence for making bogus expenses claims worth £12,900.

In a diary of his time behind bars, published in The Mail on Sunday, he spoke of how he was locked up alongside gangsters and killers before he was moved to Brixton prison rather than doing his time in an open jail like other politicians have.

And he revealed that jailed Polly Peck tycoon and former Conservative Party donor Asil Nadir read the lesson to fellow-inmates at the Christmas Day church service inside the south-east London jail.

In his diaries, Mr MacShane complains of being denied writing implements and access to phones in jail and being fed “industrial turkey (and) a tiny cocktail sausage with a bit of bacon and a smidgen of stuffing” for Christmas dinner.

And he said that at both Belmarsh and Brixton jails, warders initially addressed him as Ian McShane - perhaps muddling him up with the Lovejoy and Deadwood actor.

Mr MacShane pleaded guilty to false accounting by filing 19 fake receipts for ‘research and translation’ services and was jailed two days before Christmas.

He was freed six weeks into a six month sentence earlier this year.

In his diaries, he says that fellow-inmates were “baffled” that he should be locked up alongside them, given the scale of his offence.

And he says he told lags about the methods used by other MPs to rack up far larger sums through their expenses claims while remaining within the rules in force at the time, concluding: “Dear, oh dear, why didn’t I claim my expenses like other profiteering MPs?”

 

[gimesumtruf]

Everybody but everybody knows, but not a pitchfork in sight.
Suppose I did get a pitchfork, I'd be just next days chip wrapper.
We need a constitution so very badly with big business nowhere in sight.
Labour went down the pan with Mrs Tony Thatcher-Blair.

 

[treelover]

In the Referendum debates its been incredible to watch(expected?) the L/P defend all sorts of Condem/Tory policies and deny their effects on Scotland, this week, they are attacking the SNP's plans to reform benefits in a more benign way that the brutal changes NL and the Condems have instigated asserting they will ''cost 750 million''.

 

[DairyQueen]

In the Referendum debates its been incredible to watch(expected?) the L/P defend all sorts of Condem/Tory policies and deny their effects on Scotland, this week, they are attacking the SNP's plans to reform benefits in a more benign way that the brutal changes NL and the Condems have instigated asserting they will ''cost 750 million''.

With the amount of rank hypocrisy from Labour in this referendum, we could probably emulate and surpass everything that is great about the Tory cumfaces thread.

 

[gimesumtruf]

We only voted the other cumfaces in because Labour were bigger cumfaces. Does that make the voting public cumfaces twice over?

 

[gimesumtruf]

The leader has never opened the tank turret, to peep out( he's reading the Sun) and he has sent his army out with mostly blank ammo.

 

[Awesome Wells]

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[el-ahrairah]

grrrrr

pro-cops, pro-robbers, was my response.

but i'm sure a lot of you cleverer people can do better.

 

[emanymton]

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grrrrr

pro-cops, pro-robbers, was my response.

but i'm sure a lot of you cleverer people can do better.

Shut up you fucking cunt.

How's that?

 

[el-ahrairah]

Shut up you fucking cunt.

How's that?

i went with that in the end. it was easier.

 

[Dogsauce]

Labour councillor in York makes easy transition to tories:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-29150083

It may just be a desperate act to retain a career, but such a move would have seemed incomprehensible a few decades ago, now it's not much more than the colour of the rosette between the two parties.

 

[DownwardDog]

It may just be a desperate act to retain a career, but such a move would have seemed incomprehensible a few decades ago, now it's not much more than the colour of the rosette between the two parties.

The political defection is an ancient British political tradition. I'm old enough to remember Reg Prentice who was in Wilson's cabinet, defected to the greatest political party that ever was or will be, and was then in Thatcher's cabinet.

 

[superfly101]

 

[treelover]

Someone has just said something or took a picture and he has glanced over, big deal.

 

[CNT36]

I'd look awkward if I was in an enclosed space with a hundred or so people who knew what a cunt I was.

 

[treelover]

Ed Balls was on ITV's, The Agenda, the question was about France and its sclerotic economy, etc, Balls was going on about how it needed to reform, flexible labour markets, extending retirement age, more opening hours, he sounded like a Tory, which he basically is.

 

[treelover]

The right wing media, Telegraph, Times, seem to be highlighting (manufactured)concerns that Labour are ignoring what they hear on the doorstep about 'welfare scroungers', etc, citing the increasingly ubiquitous hard right L/P MP Simon Danczuk, useful idiot?

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...r-news/rochdale-mp-simon-danczuk-puts-6156587
seems he also has the time to run a deli as well