Why Labour are Scum

[butchersapron]

Just read that Labour lost by 26 votes last night and 47 Labour MPs didn't even bother to turn up. Right, so instead of actually doing something to help the most vulnerable people in society affected by an extremely vicious social policy they don't bother and actually sink their own motion. That is why Labour are scum.

What did they lose on?

 

[J Ed]

Sheffield Central MP paying 3 quid an hour on the apprenticeship scheme to get around paying minimum wage

 

[butchersapron]

I reckon we could get some applications pronto.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

What did they lose on?

Yeah I get what you're saying but it's still worth a mention in this thread I think.

"But I am afraid that's what you get with the Liberal Democrats. They say one thing at their conference and when they are out on the doorsteps, but they vote another way in here when it really counts.

"When they could make a difference, they turn the other way."

"I say shame on him and shame on his party," Ms Reeves told MPs.

Kettles, pots etc

 

[ska invita]

I'm reading NHS SOS at the moment... havent got far but basically re the NHS, as with seemingly every other Tory policy, Labour started the process off and drove the wedge in thats allowing the deepening privatisation of the service. Its an infuriating read.

 

[eatmorecheese]

 

[Bernie Gunther]

I'm reading NHS SOS at the moment... havent got far but basically re the NHS, as with seemingly every other Tory policy, Labour started the process off and drove the wedge in thats allowing the deepening privatisation of the service. Its an infuriating read.

In at least some cases nuLabour simply continued stuff that had been kicked off in the Thatcher / Major years.

For example Peter Lilly started sucking vile US insurance company Unum's corporate cock over health insurance and this led via nuLabour to ATOS disability assessments.

nuLabour didn't miss a beat when they took office and worked with exactly the same lobbyists and well-rewarded crank academics to make these horrible policies a reality.

See e.g.

http://dpac.uk.net/2012/04/a-tale-o...rnment-and-disability-charities-debbie-jolly/

 

[Awesome Wells]

I seem to be on a labour emailing list. Not sure how.

Got an email this morning asking for £10 donation to help win th enext election on the back of the scrap the bedroom tax! These people are unbelievable!

 

[ska invita]

its hard and expensive work undoing just 1 tory policy

 

[DotCommunist]

or lying about your intent to do so

 

[Awesome Wells]

They know that the only choice in 2015 will be Labour, because even though they are categorically shite, the tories/coalition are worse.

Total complacency.

 

[butchersapron]

Not sure that can be called complacency - where is it wrong/naive for example?

 

[Maurice Picarda]

How many of those were paired?

 

[DotCommunist]

I bet Frank Field wasn't paired. I bet a hundred pounds that I don't have.

 

[J Ed]

How many of those were paired?

Who gives a shit? Is the bedroom tax a trivial enough issue to play parliamentary games?

 

[Awesome Wells]

what does 'paired' mean?

 

[J Ed]

what does 'paired' mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_(parliamentary_convention)

 

[butchersapron]

Posters do realise that winning this vote would not have got rid of the bedroom tax don't they?

edit: 24 of them were paired, the vote was lost by 26

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Who gives a shit? Is the bedroom tax a trivial enough issue to play parliamentary games?

Turning up to vote and missing worthwhile commitments just so a Tory could vote for the other side, would be "playing parliamentary games".

 

[Maurice Picarda]

edit: 24 of them were paired, the vote was lost by 26

The list includes two deputy speakers, who can't vote. And one who was on paternity leave.

 

[Awesome Wells]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_(parliamentary_convention)

Thanks.

So 47 labour wankers chose to abstain out of some bizare sense of 'honour' or propriety against a policy as vile and evil as the bedroom tax?

FFS!

 

[butchersapron]

The list includes two deputy speakers, who can't vote. And one who was on paternity leave.

Deputy speakers can vote.

edit: no, it appears that is only the Lords deputy speakers.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I bet Frank Field wasn't paired. I bet a hundred pounds that I don't have.

Wouldn't be surprised at all. If instead of complaining about all 47 the thing had said "shame on turncoat wretch Frank Field", the room to argue would have been limited.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Deputy speakers can vote.

You're thinking of the Lords (less charitably, that was as far as you got on Wikipedia). The chairman of ways and means (Hoyle) certainly doesn't.

 

[butchersapron]

You're thinking of the Lords (les charitably, that was as far as you got on Wikipedia). The chairman of ways and means (Hoyle) certainly doesn't.

I didn't look at wikipedia - please don't judge everyone by your own inclinations (or talk to les when you're talking to me). I looked first at Parliaments own page then my own past posting on the matter.

 

[Onket]

Posters do realise that winning this vote would not have got rid of the bedroom tax don't they?

See thread title.

 

[butchersapron]

See thread title.

Only if you promise to have a think why me pointing out that this vote was a cynical PR exercise and not intended to get rid of the bedroom tax is highlighting a way in which labour are scum.

 

[Onket]

Only if you promise to have a think why me pointing out that this vote was a cynical PR exercise and not intended to get rid of the bedroom tax is highlighting a way in which labour are scum.

I was commenting on your post.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

Only if you promise to have a think why me pointing out that this vote was a cynical PR exercise and not intended to get rid of the bedroom tax is highlighting a way in which labour are scum.

I'll have a stab at this. Is it because the bedroom tax is tied up in the welfare reform act and changing one aspect of an act is not possible because it would require the whole act to be changed. This would then require another vote on a re written act meaning that the coalition would win because their majority? Therefore it's cynical Labour PR.

That and (this is more IMO) the bedroom tax is just one aspect of a shit soup that gets focused on too much whilst ignoring the rest of the coalition's attacks like local housing allowance for all under 35s, benefit sanctions etc. None of which Labour will reverse come the next election.

 

[mr steev]

Is there a way to find out whose vote was paired?