Why Labour are Scum
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what's the point of voting against it then? Last night's vote was hardly surprising, but just as disappointing. Clegg abstained ffs! What's the point of him? Literally his existence is meaningless; an evolutionary political cul de sac.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yes, they knew precisely that.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Co-incidentally I'd abstain as well........from pissing on him if he were on fire.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What do you want?
rosecore
Well-Known Member
Labour now hiding behind the informal agreement of 'pairing', which is only ever used for non-essential votes. http://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/pairing/
I guess they did not deem the vote of real importance despite it being a policy pledge in 2015. They are a bunch of cowards.
I guess they did not deem the vote of real importance despite it being a policy pledge in 2015. They are a bunch of cowards.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What do you mean by 'a policy pledge'?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It isnt. It's absolutely standard, used for all sorts of votes.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's a weird point for rose to pick up on. As you say, it's bog standard. The only one who doesn't is Skinner.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Yup. very occasionally one side will announce pairing is suspended, but only on things where they think they could actually bring the oppo down.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yep, as in 1979.
AFAIAA votes of Confidence are never paired.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Think they were....otherwise James Graham's play would have been pretty pointless.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Sort of like what he said.
rioted
redundant
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Get over it. You lost.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
It's all informal, there are no set rules. They tried to tighten them up aftr Callaghans govt collapsed, but then...
Pairing in the British House of Commons was later ended by a decision of the Labour and Liberal Democrat Chief Whips, Donald Dewar and Archy Kirkwood on 17 December 1996, following an incident when they claimed to find the Conservative government cheating in a vote by pairing the same three Conservative MPs with three absent Labour MPs as well as three absent Liberal Democrat MPs. The decision came into effect on 13 January 1997.[2]
It is now back on tho
Pairing in the British House of Commons was later ended by a decision of the Labour and Liberal Democrat Chief Whips, Donald Dewar and Archy Kirkwood on 17 December 1996, following an incident when they claimed to find the Conservative government cheating in a vote by pairing the same three Conservative MPs with three absent Labour MPs as well as three absent Liberal Democrat MPs. The decision came into effect on 13 January 1997.[2]
It is now back on tho
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not a problem confined to "this government", it's the result of a political culture of entitlement, populated by people only a minority of whom have any understanding or experience of what life is like for the working class. it's an issue about the institution of government itself.
Absolutely, but I wonder if it's even worse than that? Too many politicians these days have lived and breathed politics since childhood. Just look at Hague, Miliband, and Cameron. And they've not stepped outside politics their entire lives, or at best only briefly. It's as if there's a new incipient divide: the political class vs the non-political class; work and wealth don't factor.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Of course work and wealth factor. Do you think the people that you listed are there by dint of ambition alone?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Wealth and what it can buy (including appropriate "work") or facilitate (access to networks) is a predominant factor in entry into the political class. it's always been the case that it was a factor, but now is the main driver for entry. Parliament itself is as much of an exclusive club for the monied classes as it ever was, even 150 years ago. Hague, Milliband and Cameron wouldn't have had the leisure to pursue politics as a career without wealth and what it buys.
Yes indeed. But I think you've missed my point - I wasn't attacking that aspect - so perhaps I better expand: it doesn't matter how wealthy you are if you're not part of the political class. And if you are wealthy and want to remain so, you better bribe the political class. From backhanders at a local level to non-executive directorships to 'fact-finding tours' to grossly inflated payments for column pieces, they're all bribes. And if you're poor, well, you don't really matter as a group. Conversely, even a poor member of the political class is found some sinecure, some membership of a policy group, some membership of a qango or something from which they can exert influence. And a powerful member of the political class is almost by definition rich.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How do you get in the political class? By wealth. Is this really so hard to understand? And what about white history month eh~?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Just read that Labour lost by 26 votes last night and 47 Labour MPs didn't even bother to turn up. Right, so instead of actually doing something to help the most vulnerable people in society affected by an extremely vicious social policy they don't bother and actually sink their own motion. That is why Labour are scum.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
The excuse is 'oh but we have a pairing system' which is nothing legally set in stone so who cares? So they talk the talk of 'we would repeal it if we get elected' the talk of 'people are suffering, the government should repeal this tax NOW' and yet when they're actually presented with opportunity to repeal it NOW they don't. Absolutely fucking pathetic and spineless.
That simply beggars belief. It was THEIR policy. But then when Labour councils are among those at the sharp edge of cutting services, it's hardly news. Name and shame.
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