Who will be the next prime minister (October 2022 edition)

[bluescreen]

Who apart from Mordaunt has declared they are actually standing?
I can't keep up.

 

[strung out]

Who apart from Mordaunt has declared they are actually standing?
I can't keep up.

You haven't missed much - nobody apart from Mordaunt has declared they're running.

 

[weltweit]

How many Tories in total are eligible to support the three leadership candidates?

 

[bluescreen]

You haven't missed much - nobody apart from Mordaunt has declared they're running.

Thanks. What I thought.
It's all a bit hysterical right now.

 

[platinumsage]

What chance a Sunak-Johnson pact by Monday night?

 

[Bingoman]

What chance a Sunak-Johnson pact by Monday night?

Atm Zero

 

[Riklet]

Probably Penny Dreadful.

But something deep down says Johnson could just squeek it. He's still popular.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What chance a Sunak-Johnson pact by Monday night?

Can't see it if Sunak's still ahead. Why would Sunak make way for Johnson? Johnson would be under pressure to stand aside, surely, even if he gets to 100.

Mordaunt appears to be toast.

 

[Bingoman]

Can't see it if Sunak's still ahead. Why would Sunak make way for Johnson? Johnson would be under pressure to stand aside, surely, even if he gets to 100.

Mordaunt appears to be toast.

The momentum in Morduant campaign seem to have stalled, I not sure it wise of her to declare that early a bit strange that

 

[littlebabyjesus]

The momentum in Morduant campaign seem to have stalled, I not sure it wise of her to declare that early a bit strange that

I guess she had momentum because she was so visible this week. Probably gave a false impression of her being at the front when she quite possibly never was.

I want to change my vote. Voted too early.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I guess she had momentum because she was so visible this week. Probably gave a false impression of her being at the front when she quite possibly never was.

I want to change my vote. Voted too early.

I waited and picked Sunak earlier today, we were warned that weren't allowed to change

 

[WhyLikeThis]

 

[moochedit]

Probably Penny Dreadful.

But something deep down says Johnson could just squeek it. He's still popular.

He only needs second place amongst the mp's to get onto the members ballot.
The members worship him unfortunately

 

[gosub]

Difficult one...personally think Sunak at number 11 is more important. though Sunak at 10 not a problem,personally, He's going need a GOOD inside centre if he does though!

 

[Yossarian]

I pictured him being booed loudly by dozens of people as he made his way through the aircraft cabin, sadly it was just "one or two boos" he couldn't hear.

 

[kabbes]

Johnson is enormously unpopular in the south east. I don’t know about the rest of the country, but if the Tories want to avoid disaster in their SE heartland, their only chance is Sunak, the only one viewed as meeting basic threshold competency.

 

[bimble]

Johnson is enormously unpopular in the south east. I don’t know about the rest of the country, but if the Tories want to avoid disaster in their SE heartland, their only chance is Sunak, the only one viewed as meeting basic threshold competency.

Here (also SE) they might not be fans of BJ (I don't know tbh) but come the next election they'll vote for the blue box regardless. Johnson or not Johnson is probably more important in the seats which they newly won last time.

 

[bimble]

Can someone explain why the daily mail and the sun are telling their readers that return of Johnson is a good idea ?

 

[kabbes]

Here (also SE) they might not be fans of BJ (I don't know tbh) but come the next election they'll vote for the blue box regardless. Johnson or not Johnson is probably more important in the seats which they newly won last time.

When he was kicked out, it was partly because the south generally was in danger of turning yellow. Remember the by-elections he’d just lost? For example

Tory chair quits after by-election defeats, piling pressure on Boris Johnson

Prime minister vows to “keep going” despite heavy losses in two Parliamentary by-elections overnight

www.politico.eu

 

[strung out]

Can someone explain why the daily mail and the sun are telling their readers that return of Johnson is a good idea ?

Because it's popular with their readers.

 

[bimble]

Because it's popular with their readers.

nah, they pushed Truss who wasn't.

 

[platinumsage]

nah, they pushed Truss who wasn't.

Sunak is unpopular (back-stabbing magic moneytree guy), so they push the non-Sunak option.

 

[bimble]

Sunak is unpopular (back-stabbing magic moneytree guy), so they push the non-Sunak option.

i don't think their motivation is to please their readers by aligning with them, think its the other way round they have preferred outcomes and try to exert influence on their readers.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can someone explain why the daily mail and the sun are telling their readers that return of Johnson is a good idea ?

Yes

Their owners told them to

 

[bimble]

oh yeah, Paul Dacre is still waiting for Johnson to make him a Lord.

 

[Pickman's model]

oh yeah, Paul Dacre is still waiting for Johnson to make him a Lord.

Surprised it didn't occur to you

 

[strung out]

nah, they pushed Truss who wasn't.

The perception was that she was the popular option until she wasn't.

 

[killer b]

nah, they pushed Truss who wasn't.

Truss was very popular with the Tory grassroots - regularly topped the polls with them. That's why she won the leadership.

 

[kabbes]

I think it’s more complicated than either trying to appease readers or influence them. I think it’s to do with how sense-making is formed through the way other people and objects are represented within the psyche. These representations at least partially, if not wholly, exist as part of a constructed discourse within social groups, rather than being purely individual, cognitive structures. In turn, this means that an imagined group (i.e. an in-group that have never actually met each other in person, but exist as a group through imagined commonalities) can develop towards a discourse that represent particular characters as containing sets of characteristics, such as the hero archetype, that are baffling to outsiders. So “Boris the hero” is a co-construction between the Daily Mail and its readers; a dialectic framed by things like confirmation and attention biases, that takes on a self-perpetuating narrative force of its own.

 

[bimble]

ok, i forgot that liz truss was popular once a few long weeks ago or maybe I missed it.
Seems mad that the DM are cheerleading for a return of BJ, if they hope the tory party to recover and survive past christmas, but i don't understand anything anymore.