who is responsible for the London attacks?

[editor]

So to suggest he is racist is defamatory and libellous. But it seems that is acceptable on your boards as long as you don't like the man and he cannot defend himself.

For the last fucking time: will you stop putting words in my mouth?

I have not suggested that Icke is "racist."

And why don't you challenge those posters making the claims instead of whining on at me?

Oh, and linking to an article on Icke's own website is hardly what I'd call persuasive.

Anyhow, I'm bored talking about the cunt now.

 

[squeegee]

Once again, David Icke has not been prosecuted for racist comments. There is no evidence that he has made ANY racist comments either in public or in his books. So to suggest he is racist is defamatory and libellous. But it seems that is acceptable on your boards as long as you don't like the man and he cannot defend himself.

How the fuck is that suggesting that you have called him racist? What, I have to use specific names now to stop any wilful confusion? You know full well I'm not talking about you.

Someone on these boards called him racist. As the editor you have always stated that making libellous statements must be qualified with at least the fact it is an allegation. You as editor have to challenge this. I don't need to challenge it. I made a general comment on this thread. YOU chose to intervene, but have decided it is ok to allow dafamatory comments to go unchallenged on YOUR boards.

Have you seen any evidence he is a racist? And the link is to David icke answering specific accusations that he is racist. You don't have to read it, but it's in there his own words.

 

[tarannau]

And then be kind enough to admit what is obvious to anyone who's read anything by him, whether they believe him or not......

Aye, it's flaming obvious that Icke's a bit of a ranting numbnut with an delusional ego problem.

His account of what happened within the Green Party of the time certainly doesn't ring true with what I've heard from various friends connected with the party. I've no reason to distrust what they say. particularly when the person speaking against them is a self-acclaimed turquoise clad messiah who seems eager to highlight his website rants in green and purple text, with BIG SHOUTY capitals everywhere for added self importance.

I have no idea if Icke is really a racist or not to be honest. It is, however, undeniable that his views very much tally with and appeal to a far-right/racial separarist audience. In fact Icke even featured, albeit in error if he is to believed, a lengthy article from one of the US's most distasteful white supremicists on the archives section of his site before some u75ers objected.

Either way and he should be a little bit careful with his associations and links if you ask me. It's strange so many people, my friends included, seem to perceive a distasteful side to his views.

 

[squeegee]

Read the links Tarannau and decide for yourself rather than accepting heresay as evidence. He is not a racist. And explain to me how a view which states that we are all one consciousness and that love is the only truth is distasteful? You may disagree, even call him mad. But racist? No.

Interesting, by the way, that the reference on this thread to Icke being an anti-semite seems to have disappeared. Or am I just paranoid?

 

[tarannau]

I have read (at least some of) the links. If I'm brutally honest I'll take the word of a good few people I've known for years in the Green Party over the carefully selected/edited scribblings of Icke on his site. Hardly hearsay is it - I've heard different reports from a few unconnected members of the Green party, including one on these boards, and their reports have all concurred - only Icke's seems to stand alone. Now it could be a conspiracy, but I find it remarkable that so many people share the same view of him.

You've got to admit Icke's defence isn't very convincing in parts. On one response he basically uses a variation of the 'I've got a Jewish friend' excuse to explain why he couldn't possibly be anti-semitic...

 

[squeegee]

It is, however, undeniable that his views very much tally with and appeal to a far-right/racial separarist audience.

I think it's very deniable. Do you know any white supremacists who speak of all people being manifestations of the same consciousness of love? Do you even know how ridiculous such an accusation sounds in the light of Icke's writings.

I re-iterate, I disagree with many of the conclusions that Icke makes about reptiles and Illuminati control etc. He borrows much from 60s new age etc.

But nowehere in anything I have read of his books have I found reference to racist views. Controversial, yes. Disagreeable, certainly. But racist? No way.

I think I've made my point.

 

[tarannau]

I think it's very deniable. Do you know any white supremacists who speak of all people being manifestations of the same consciousness of love? Do you even know how ridiculous such an accusation sounds in the light of Icke's writings.

But nowehere in anything I have read of his books have I found reference to racist views. Controversial, yes. Disagreeable, certainly. But racist? No way.

I think I've made my point.

So you're suggesting that the idea of a shadowy cabal, who just happen to be Jewish and 'lizardlike', that essentially controls the earth and its finances doesn't play into the hands of certain anti-semitic groups?

Do you honestly think that Icke sold all those books to people who wanted to read about the 'consciousness of love'...

 

[Pickman's model]

& turquoise.

 

[squeegee]

I have read (at least some of) the links. If I'm brutally honest I'll take the word of a good few people I've known for years in the Green Party over the carefully selected/edited scribblings of Icke on his site. Hardly hearsay is it - I've heard different reports from a few unconnected members of the Green party, including one on these boards, and their reports have all concurred - only Icke's seems to stand alone. Now it could be a conspiracy, but I find it remarkable that so many people share the same view of him.

So you take the word of Green party activists, the same party he was kicked out of. Do you not think they might be a tad partisan in how they recall what went on? When couples split up acrimoniously each usually sees particular events in opposing ways.

"So many people" That's pandering to herd mentality. It doesn't get away from the fact there is not a shred of evidence that David icke is a racist. Or are you going to provide us with some?

 

[squeegee]

So you're suggesting that the idea of a shadowy cabal, who just happen to be Jewish and 'lizardlike', that essentially controls the earth and its finances doesn't play into the hands of certain anti-semitic groups?

He doesn't say that at all. Read the link "David icke is not a racist". he specifically states that the Elite are made up of all races. So once again, you have quoted from heresay rather than actually read his own comments.

 

[tarannau]

So you take the word of Green party activists, the same party he was kicked out of. Do you not think they might be a tad partisan in how they recall what went on? When couples split up acrimoniously each usually sees particular events in opposing ways.

"So many people" That's pandering to herd mentality. It doesn't get away from the fact there is not a shred of evidence that David icke is a racist. Or are you going to provide us with some?

No, I draw my opinion from two long departed members of the Green Party, a high up spokesman/mp candidate for the party as it stands now and a bloke of these boards that I don't believe that I've met. It's hardly a well assembled herd likely to sing from the same sheet is it - although it's gratifying to see that you're using exactly the same highly original terminology (herd mentality) as many of the other conspiracy fans around here. Bloody sheeple conspiranoids eh..


It's bloody easy to avoiding writing something unduly incriminating down on paper and masking the extent of your views. Even Nick Griffin and his BNP fanboys can avoid direct allegations of racism on their literature these days, let alone someone with Icke's more outworldly views.

Either way and the case is likely to remain unproven. And I'd still argue that some of Icke's views are (a) ridiculous and (b)likely to appeal to anti-semites.

 

[squeegee]

Either way and the case is likely to remain unproven. And I'd still argue that some of Icke's views are (a) ridiculous and (b)likely to appeal to anti-semites with that in mind.

Then you obviously know nothing of what he is talking about. Which I'm sure makes you very happy. BUt the links are on this thread now. If you ever choose to read them you will see that what you have said is wrong. And the fact that white supremacists and anti-semites talk of a jewish conspiracy (as do a large number of radical muslims by the way) and somehow conflate that with Icke's views on the elite does NOT make him racist.

"Infinite love is the only truth". That's the title of his latest book. Yeah, I can really see a KKK member using that as his mantra. NOT.

And as stated before in a dispute between icke and green party (no matter how high up he is) it is obvious that both sides will recount different versions of the same thing. You using that is not proof of anything.

You simply have not read anything of icke's work as is evidenced by your statements. Why let research get in the way of a good witch-hunt.

 

[squeegee]

Any talk of a jewish cabal controlling the world should be shot down in flames as soon as it is uttered. I have had quite a few conversations with muslims and radical black nationalists about the new world order. As soon as they bring in the jewish thing i am at pains to show them how they have been duped into thinking it is a plot by one group. sometimes they listen quietly. often they think i am part of the conspiracy. i agree that conspiracy is dangerous for this reason and should be handled very carefully.

But Icke recognises this too and is at pains to point out that the Elite that he speaks of is made up of people from all races and religions. race and religion is irrelevant to the elite. Their interest is power.

All this is supposition. No one knows if there is one body called the elite or what their aims are.

But the point is Icke is not a racist.

Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about who is responsible for the London bombings. I don't believe any of the bullshit I've been told on the news or read in the papers.

And I still want to know about those exercises that Peter Power and Visor consultants ran on the day in the "precise" locations.

Any new info on that?

Any evidence?

 

[tarannau]

And as stated before in a dispute between icke and green party (no matter how high up he is) it is obvious that both sides will recount different versions of the same thing. You using that is not proof of anything.
.

I repeat: there are no sides. These are individuals, some no longer connected to the Green Party. There is no shared tale, nor any coordinated campaign against Icke, no matter how paranoid his site seems. .

Your faith in Icke is touching though. I have no witch hunt against the man, just merely think his views are dodgy in places and entirely lacking in credibility. The sort of stuff that really belongs in the 'delusional fiction' category rather than being discussed in a politics forum or on a serious thread about the London bombings. He's just a laughable distraction from real events and I think he deserves far less attention.

 

[squeegee]

I have no witch hunt against the man, just merely think his views are dodgy in places and entirely lacking in credibility.

I am in agreement here. I only got into this because I wanted to see a libellous accusation withdrawn. It has been (quietly, without admission of guilt). That's enough.

The sort of stuff that really belongs in the 'delusional fiction' category rather than being discussed in a politics forum or on a serious thread about the London bombings. He's just a laughable distraction from real events and I think he deserves far less attention.

Once again I can't disagree. He has done much damage to those who wish to get to the bottom of events such as 911 and 7/7. Thankfully established writers are now coming forward with sober and well researched articles on both events.

 

[james_walsh]

Then you obviously know nothing of what he is talking about. Which I'm sure makes you very happy. BUt the links are on this thread now. If you ever choose to read them you will see that what you have said is wrong. And the fact that white supremacists and anti-semites talk of a jewish conspiracy (as do a large number of radical muslims by the way) and somehow conflate that with Icke's views on the elite does NOT make him racist.
t.

But if western governments where prepared to finance mental heath in a responsable manner, you would all be keeping each other company in the nut house for certain.

 

[squeegee]

But if western governments where prepared to finance mental heath in a responsable manner, you would all be keeping each other company in the nut house for certain.

Maybe they could finance English teachers to teach you how to read and write properly as well. Do you pat yourself on the back when you make a useless, pointless comment that doesn't add to the thread other than it takes up a bit more space?

Read the links numbskull. Try and learn something new every day. Maybe one day you might actually be able to debate serious issues like the London bombings and the fake media reports that ciculated afterwards.

Or the recent reports saying the Brazilian police have given the British police the all clear. "Nothing to see here...move along"

I suppose you believe everything your masters tell you. David Icke bad...bah...bah..bah

Stay in the pen amoeba brain

 

[TeeJay]

From Wikipedia:

...Icke has further claimed that a small group of Jews, particularly the Rothschild family, financed Adolf Hitler and supported the Holocaust. These claims have led to his speaking tours attracting the interest of British neo-Nazis, particularly Combat 18, as well as facing opposition from Jewish groups and anti-racism activists. In response to these allegations, Icke has strongly denied that he is an anti-Semite, and has stressed his belief that the Illuminati, including the Rothschild family, are lizards, not Jews.

...

Icke's theories have been attacked as anti-Semitic because his views of a reptilian takeover amid references to international bankers have echoes of conspiracy theories involving Jews.

Icke has strongly denied that his reptiles represent Jews. "I am not an anti-Semite!", he told The Guardian, "I have a great respect for the Jewish people." [10] He maintains that the reptilians are not human, and therefore not Jewish, but are "extra-dimensional entities" that enter and control human minds. He also says that what he calls the "white race" is most susceptible to reptilian influence, particularly white people with blue eyes. [11]

However, Icke's statements that a cabal of Jewish bankers planned the Holocaust and financed Hitler's rise to power are regarded as anti-Semitic by Jewish groups and others. Icke has cited white supremacist, neo-Nazi and other far-right publications in his books. Simon Jones notes that the bibliography of ... and the truth will set you free lists The Spotlight, formerly published by the now-defunct Liberty Lobby, and which Icke calls "excellent," and On Target, published by the Australian League of Rights, which has organized speaking tours for Holocaust denier David Irving. Jones writes: It's tempting to dismiss David Icke as a confused and ignorant man, manipulated by extremists in order to present their philosophy in a socially acceptable format. But Icke clearly understands the implications of his words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

 

[Jazzz]

I have no idea if Icke is really a racist or not to be honest. It is, however, undeniable that his views very much tally with and appeal to a far-right/racial separarist audience. In fact Icke even featured, albeit in error if he is to believed, a lengthy article from one of the US's most distasteful white supremicists on the archives section of his site before some u75ers objected.

His reply on the issue was unequivocal. I can't believe you are dredging it up again. It was well and truly dealt with; need I post his reply again? Besides which editor posted up about how they can't stand him.

In answer to the post above, you have to judge what the man says for himself. I am extremely weary of all this 'guilt by association'.

 

[editor]

His reply on the issue was unequivocal.

Do you believe his stuff about reptiles/lizards?

And if not, how can you take anything else he says seriously?

 

[TeeJay]

He also says that what he calls the "white race" is most susceptible to reptilian influence, particularly white people with blue eyes.

Racist?

 

[Jazzz]

Do you believe his stuff about reptiles/lizards?

And if not, how can you take anything else he says seriously?

Do you believe that Moses parted the Red Sea? And if not, would you dismiss everything that Rowan Williams had to say?

 

[TeeJay]

If he isn't racist why does he bang on about "the white race"?

 

[editor]

Do you believe that Moses parted the Red Sea? And if not, would you dismiss everything that Rowan Williams had to say?

Are you really comparing Icke's utterances to one of the biggest and oldest religions of the world?

 

[Jazzz]

He also says that what he calls the "white race" is most susceptible to reptilian influence, particularly white people with blue eyes.

Racist?

The white race is more susceptible to sunburn. Racist?

 

[squeegee]

I repeat: there are no sides. These are individuals, some no longer connected to the Green Party. There is no shared tale, nor any coordinated campaign against Icke, no matter how paranoid his site seems. .

Your faith in Icke is touching though. I have no witch hunt against the man, just merely think his views are dodgy in places and entirely lacking in credibility. The sort of stuff that really belongs in the 'delusional fiction' category rather than being discussed in a politics forum or on a serious thread about the London bombings. He's just a laughable distraction from real events and I think he deserves far less attention.

Was gonna leave this where it was Tarannau, but then amoeba brain fired me up again. You still can't see that whether or not there is an orchestrated campaign, whether or not the people are presently connected to the Green Party, their story about icke would be very wrapped up in the controversy of how he was kicked out all those years ago, and these people, without needing to orchestrate anything, and though, I'm sure decent people, would nevertheless feel the need to justify the actions of thier colleagues as to why Icke was thrown out. I think it fair in such circumstances that he be allowed to put his side of the story to balance it. Otherwise it counts as hearsay.

And I'm interested. You say his views are doidgy in places. Can you tell me where you think they are not dodgy in places, which the statement implies. Or are you just trying to sound balanced, but actually don't know what you're talking about?

I still agree he is a distraction from the London bombings and the shooting of jean Charles de Menezes. Especially as the Brazilian police have now given their british counterparts the all clear after exactly one day of research. And we're expected to believe it's all above board I suppose.

 

[editor]

The white race is more susceptible to sunburn. Racist?

Isn't Icke claiming that white people have some sort of mental deficiency that makes them more "susceptible to reptilian influence" than other races?

Sure sounds well dodgy to me. Why do you defend this shit?

 

[Jazzz]

Are you really comparing Icke's utterances to one of the biggest and oldest religions of the world?

I find the proposition that Moses parted the Red Sea quite unbelievable. But that doesn't mean I would not listen to Rowan Williams were he to come round for tea. Does that answer your question?

 

[Jazzz]

Isn't Icke claiming that white people have some sort of mental deficiency that makes them more "susceptible to reptilian influence" than other races?

Sure sounds well dodgy to me. Why do you defend this shit?

He's not claiming white people are mentally deficient.

 

[squeegee]

From the indymedia article, which I doubt many people have bothered to read.

"It should be noted up front that nutshell descriptions of Icke's beliefs are inherently unfair, and while it is necessary for me to attempt to describe some his beliefs here, the reader should be aware of the problematic nature of this endeavor. To date, there have been surprisingly large numbers of people willing to engage in sweeping generalizations and demonizations of Icke without even the most general knowledge of who he is or what he writes about; such behavior should be regarded as utterly reprehensible. If people really insist on judging Icke (and clearly many people do), then let us at least make sure we are aware of who he is and what he believes, otherwise judging him fairly becomes an impossible task. That is the purpose of the first part of this essay.

To suggest that David Icke's theories are unusual would be an understatement. Icke is the author of several books that (in a nutshell) essentially maintain that an elite cabal of shape-shifting, child molesting, human sacrificing, Satan worshipping, lizard-aliens are currently engaged in a conspiracy to centralize power and enslave the human race. It would be easy to dismiss such assertions prima facie as being the products of a deranged mind, but Icke is actually quite lucid and a brilliant public speaker-- dismissing him as a madman simply will not suffice. While Icke does have specific reasons for believing what he does, it is quite clear that he is prone to flights of speculative fancy; this propensity has taken him into areas that more "respectable" researchers would never dream of going -- a good example of this is his now infamous "lizard theory."

Ricahrd Finnegan article on Icke